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I did not include the previous article here because it was too big, and too
self-riteous. (sp?)

Vahid, dude, get a life.  He mentioned all the horrible things the US did
to Iran the past 50 years, etc etc.  He also mentioned the New Jersey shelling
the Bekhaa (sp?) Valley in response to the 250+ US Marines killed in
Lebanon.  And the shooting down of the Iranian Airbus.

Look, you dolt, 251 US Marines ARE worth 'hundreds' of civillians.  In case
you didn't notice, those were HUNDREDS of Marines!!!  And they were there to
keep the peace, not to attack anyone!  And they get attacked by a CIVILLIAN
in a truck!!!!!  I don't know what you think, but I think erasing 8 battalions
of Syrian artillery was a DAMN good response.  If there are civillians in
the vicinity of the gun emplacements, TOUGH!  They should have moved when the
guns got there!

Think about this--it's perfectly OK, in the eyes of the Iranian regime
(at the time; perhaps now too) to take accredited diplomats hostage, and
to kill 251 Marines like that, but ANY attack by the US against anything
of theirs is to be condemned...BULLSHIT!  That's just saying that anything
I do to you is OK, but if you do the same thing to me, it's horrible and the
act of Satan!  I don't recall Germany condemning the Normandy invasion...if
you are going to treat it like a war, prepare to accept attack!  And DON'T
be hypocritical!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, on to the hostages.  You didn't mention them.  Hmm, why not?  Let me tell
you, I used to live in Pakistan and Afghaninstan, and I've been to Iran a few
times.  My father was with the Embassy in Kabul and the Consulate in Karachi.
We were in DC when all this happenned, and he heard a radio commentator
say "nuke 'em till they glow".  He called up and totally agreed with that
guy, and my father is NOT into gunboat diplomacy or anything like that.
Taking a diplomatic mission hostage is an unforgivable act of WAR, and
we should have done something about it.  Carter had the right idea with the
rescue mission, but the idiot planners should have put 1 person in overall
command and issued common radios.

My favorite phrase-"nuke 'em till they glow; use their assholes for landing
lights".

Believe me, I've known MANY Moslems, and most of them were NOTHING like the
kooks that were/are in Iran...

And now to the Airbus tragedy.  Yes, it was a tragedy.  But how can Iran
act so damn indignant about it when they gleefully bomb the Pan Am flight
and take the hostages...geez, guys, be prepared to take what you are shoveling.

And to compare it to KAL 007 is rediculous--the Soviets did not use
international frequencies to contact the plane, and did not do the obvious
tactic of flying IN FRONT of the canopy so the pilots can see your engine
flames.  Besides, they had visual observation, and a 747 does not look a
THING like anything else, especially not like an RC-135!
The Vincennes was under attack by speedboats, and a plane that is sending
back F-14 IFF signals just took off from a MILITARY airbase and is heading
straight towards you, ignoring your orders to shear off.  (And if you don't
think Vincennes should be ordering that plane, you just try to fly a plane
that has an IFF response of a fighter towards anybody's naval ship during
a battle and low cloud cover and see what happens...)
Do you know somebody tried to kill his wife in California?  So much for the
old Moslem traditions of men not shooting at women...
(In old battles in Afghanistan, at least, the women fighting wore red pants
so men would not shoot at them, only women could shoot at other women.)

ARGH, dude, get a life!  Geez, you are saying that Iran can do WHATEVER it
wants to the US and US citizens because we installed the Shah 40 years ago.
And that the Embassy hostage taking was OK because we let an old, sick man
in the country for medical attention.  I didn't see the Shah attacking
France when they let Khomeini in, did you?

Followups to alt.flame, to get this BULLSHIT out of the comp.sys heirarchy.

PS--I think ALL the fanatics in this world, on all sides, should be locked
in a big room and allowed to kill each other.  Perhaps then we will get a
little peace...


-- 
Ted Woodward (ted@cs.utexas.edu)

Greetings, Royal Ugly Dudes!