🚀 go-pugleaf

APDA is simply awful.  I, too, have let my "membership" lapse.  There is a
definite hint of "cutting off your nose to spite your face" here, but I
reject that argument vehemently because it is exactly APDA's monopoly
position that must be ended.  Unfortunately, Apple just isn't listening
(well actually they do, and they defend Apple's decision to use APDA
very strongly).  The only thing to do is JUST SAY NO.  APDA stinks.
Kill it.  Apple must find some way to release non-free material to
developers in a more effective way -- and it MUST not be a monopoly,
unless of course Apple does it itself.  The dopiest clowns in Apple
can do a much better job than APDA.  Sorry about the irrational tone
of this, but I have been driven crazy on the subject of APDA.
-r
(Richard Reich as russell@nyu)
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From: lewish@acf2.UUCP (Henry M. Lewis)
Date: 24-Nov-87 16:37 EST
Date-Received: 24-Nov-87 16:37 EST
Subject: Re: Kitchenaid Mixers
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> On the subject of Kitchenaid mixers, could someone give me a breakdown on
> the different models, their features, and advantages/disadvantages. . .

I have used all three basic KitchenAid models.  The smallest model (K4C?) is,
to my mind, not worth considering simply because it offers no dough hook.
It does, however, outperform almost any non-KitchenAid.  It has a 4-quart
glass bowl.

Those in the K45 family, including K45SS and a new model whose number I don't
know, have 4 1/2 quart stainless-steel bowls.  The motor tips back to remove
the beater from the bowl.  K5 and K5SS have 5-quart stainless-steel bowls
that rest on a yoke that raises to meet the immobile motor.  Both come with
flat beater, whip, and dough hook.  I find the K45 more convenient, especially
when attachments are used:  the K5's attachment port is about a foot and a
half above the counter, and one must build great sculptures of books, pans,
etc., to get a bowl in position to catch sliced onions, ground meat, pasta,
or whatever.  I haven't found K5's additional power or capacity necessary.
It does have one advantage over K45, in that it accepts a water jacket that
can be used to keep the mixture in the bowl warm or cool.

All models accept a variety of attachments, except that you're warned not
to use the grain mill with the K4C.  I recommend the food grinder with
the fruit- and vegetable-mill parts, and the "rotary" slicer-shredder.
I have also the pasta-making parts, but prefer other means of making pasta.
The attachments are all stupefyingly expensive.

The Farberware mixer, by the way, is a good alternative--it's very much like
the K45.  I once found it on sale for $99.

--Hank Lewis	{ihnp4,allegra,seismo}!cmcl2!acf2!lewish
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From: mcp7579@acf3.NYU.EDU (Michael Poppers)
Date: 24-Nov-87 21:13 EST
Date-Received: 24-Nov-87 21:13 EST
Subject: Lots of Haas air
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Summary: From the Haas' mouth to this net (2 quoted responsa -- *not* long)

In article <373@a.UUCP>, mwj@a.UUCP (William Johnson) writes:
> 
> In Haas' case, very few "knowledgeable" people
> (whatever that means ...) have much use for him -- but I bet our local
> classical station has more listeners while he's on than in the hour right
> after him, and costs and advertisers being what they are, they need all
> the listeners they can get.  In a word, Haas is SUCCESSFUL, both as
> entertainment in his own right and as popularizer of a genre.  If the
> classical-music business as a whole was as successful, there wouldn't be
> as many major orchestras in trouble.

	Come on, Bill, Karl didn't get on the air because he was
	successful.  You're putting the kart before the Haas :-).
	Seriously, it seems to me that K.H. brings himself down to a
	more popular (even vulgar, if you recognize the strict etymology
	rather than the coarser connotations) level in order to give
	solid music lessons to simple commonfolk (more on this below).  If
	his brand of musical instruction garners a large audience, as Bill
	said, so much the better for classical music as a whole.  A friend
	of mine who loves c.m. says that he got his start in listening to it
	because I and some others told him that the nice music/musical themes
	that he heard in certain TV commercials were classical.

In article <4156@venera.isi.edu>, smoliar@vaxa.isi.edu (Stephen Smoliar) writes:
> 
> The things you can learn about from the real world!  To the best of my
> knowledge, Karl Hass originates from WQXR in New York City.  This is not
> an NPR station.  It is a commercial station;  and, in my childhood, it
> was one of my earliest introductions to classical music (not to mention
> a full Gilbert-and-Sullivan operetta every Saturday morning).  

	Right you are.  I've always heard WQXR's name mentioned, every hour
	on the hour, as "...the radio stations of the NY Times."  Let me
	tell all you sophisticated classical-musicophiles something: Haas
	may not be your cup of tea, but (in much the same way that WQXR
	related to Stephen) I think he provides a great service for those
	poor, ignorant, lower-class, etc. folk who aren't extremely well
	versed in classical music (and I still put myself in that category,
	even though I've been listening to and loving c.m. for years), and
	sometimes he even puts on a show for dedicated listeners to c.m.,
	such as "Name the Mystery Composer."  Whatever the case, I really
	did enjoy listening to his show on a day that I wasn't in school
	(many moons ago).  And my mother, whose level of musical love &
	knowledge I rank with the late Danny Kaye (can't read a solitary
	bar, but a hell of a memory), considers him both knowledgable
	*and* interesting.  So there!...

	Just thought you people should also know that WQXR itself might
	agree that K.H. was getting a little tiring in his middle age
	("middle" as in "'til 120, Karl!"), since it moved his program
	from 9AM weekdays to some late time on weekends (ya know, when we're
	getting back from a movie..I mean, a concert).

> However, it has long since fallen from whatever grace it may once have had...
> Meanwhile, back in New York, serious listeners can always turn to WNCN
> or, when it is broadcasting classical music, WNYC.

	Well, if serious means "no personality, just music," maybe, but I
	happen to feel that serious listening and warhorses like Duncan
	Pirnie [sic] (when he was on), George Edwards, etc.,  are not 
	orthogonal.  As for the commercials, except for a few funny ones,
	I simply "tune out" (same re TV).  If you can tolerate an
	intermission during a concert, surely you can handle a few stupid
	commercials!?

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