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In article <928@stech.UUCP>, sysop@stech.UUCP (Jan Harrington) writes:
> in article <84702@felix.UUCP>, kehr@felix.UUCP (Shirley Kehr) says:
 
> > In article <1154@bub.sdl.UUCP> lad@sdl.UUCP (Lawrence A. Deleski) writes:
  
> >> but there is nothing wrong with posting macs for sale in comp.sys.mac.
> >> How about it netters, wanna vote on this?
 
	I asume you are being rethoric here;  if you want to call for a vote
	on the purpose of a group, you do that by , at least, cross-posting
	in group news.groups.

	Calling for a vote in a followup article like yours reaches only
	the "hardcore" news-junkies (and folks with an axe to grind in this
	topic) - anyone who is bothered by for-sale articles and who has
	any sense is trying hard to ignore this discussion thread.
	calling for a vote in an article in this thread, is like asking
	on skid-row who is for "free needles" - news junkies should not
	try to redefine the purpose of news-groups and make it even
	harder for the busy majority to keep track and in touch with technical
	issues.

	discussions were held way back, and misc.for-sale was created
	as an outlet for the MINORITY who would insist to abuse this
	media for commercial activities and to do so without even restricting
	the distribution area of their articles (carelessly and through
	ignorance, I don't know what is worse)

> > Yes. I'd rather see Macs for sale here too. That way I don't have to read
> > about PC's and other stuff that I couldn't imagine using in any current
> > machine.

	look, this is ridiculous. read the classifieds in your local
	news-paper, read the bulletin board in your computer store,
	read a local BBS-system.  Because, let me tell you, there are
	a lot better bargains to be found there!!!  From the articles I
	have seen here, the majority of for-sale articles are priced in
	a way that have me convinced that the poster is not limiting the
	distribution simple to be able to reach a larger pool of FOOLS -
	and I consider that DOUBLE abuse of this communication channel
	provided courtesy of someone else's wallet!!

	I suspect, some of you might even be under the impression that the
	for-sale articles will give you a "feel" of the used-equipment
	market:  WRONG, not the articles on this network.
	
	the fact is that most netters, at any given time, are not in the
	market for used equipment, and if they are they should be interested
	in learning about equipment for-sale "IN DRIVING DISTANCE!!", not
	half-way around the globe.  (in case you didn't notice, you folks,
	carelessly, ignored my remark that I have little problem with for-sale
	articles posted to comp.sys.mac with distribution limited to an
	area the seller/buyer is willing to travel by car for a demo:


> > Has anyone read misc.forsale lately? I posted a PC for sale there
> > and not only have I not had any replies, I haven't even seen a complaint
> > about the price. I wonder if anyone reads misc.forsale unless they have
> > something to sell.
 
	the message you should have gotten is (and a little investigation
	might have led you to it) that commercial gain messages are against
	the rules of the game and are, explicitly, disallowed at many of
	the major backbone sites.  That the net-gods, in their wisdom and
	knowing that there are always bozos who will disregard the wishes
	of the ones paying the bills, and who will insist that they deserve
	a forum to do with as they please in their little corner of the net
	where they pay the bills, well, the gods decided to create a top
	level msg-class "misc" and below it "misc.for-sale", thus making it
	possible for those companies who choose not to support for-sale
	articles, to simply not propagate a whole class of messages.

	you NEARLY got the right message when you wonder if it could be
	that the only ones who care are the ones that happen to want to
	sell something.

	you folks remind me of the telephone and door-to-door solicitors
	who act surprised when I tell them that they are abusing my time
	and the priviledge of ringing a person's doorbell and telephone.
	they say:  "but, but, there are people who buy things" (hinting, of
	course, at what a wonderful bargain they have, rather than that
	ringing enough doors you can always find a sucker, eventually).
	
	so, to conclude, that because posting to misc.for-sale doesn't
	work, but posting to comp.sys.mac led to a sale, ergo posting 
	for-sale articles to comp.sys.mac is both accepted and effective
	is WRONG, WRONG, WRONG !!!  you abuse the privilege of having your
	articles to comp.sys.mac broadcasted by those sites trusting that
	you will not abuse it with commercial gains articles, and you are
	showing no concern and understanding of the nuisance you are to
	most people by sprinkling your commercial into the middle of a
	technical discussion forum.  In addition, you have no insight and
	foresight in that if we'd all use this medium for our personal
	advertisements, it would soon come to a screaching halt.  Just
	imagine, all your dear neighbors coming by and ringing your doorbell
	every weekend to tell you:  "can I just have 30 seconds of your
	time to tell you about the garage-sale I'm holding?  but if you
	are not interested, just use 2 seconds to say NO, and I'll be
	on my way..." 

	lovely concept, isn't it ?!?!  especially if it's not just your
	neighbor but THE WHOLE FREAKING WORLD that knocks on your electronic
	door .... plus, you end up paying for the phone-call !!!

> I agree that sales notices of Mac-related things should go in comp.sys.mac.
> It's where we all look. Personally, I think that the people who post
> used machine sales are doing us all a service. I don't mind it one bit.

	OH, brother, "doing us a service" - what a concept.  maybe we should
	all type in the contents of the computer section of the local
	classifieds and post them (mail them to you ???....)

	"It's where we all look" - really.  why don't you look into reading
	the periodically posted articles explaining netiquette to new users?
	just maybe it contains a section on "for-sale" and commercial gains
	news-articles ...

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