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Article #3934Re: Allegro Common Lisp licensing fees
From: Larry Rosenstein
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1989 17:58
Date: Fri, 01 Sep 1989 17:58
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In article <2034@crdgw1.crd.ge.com> vita@daredevil.crd.ge.com (Mark F.
Vita) writes:
> Well, if the fee is so <largely symbolic>, why not just get rid of it?
I don't think it is purely symbolic. There is some legal reasons
behind it.
> development products. But royalty fees on compilers are absolutely
> inexcusable. I mean, I've already paid for the product once; why
I don't know the Lisp environment, but there are no royalties for using
MPW compilers. Once you start shipping some of Apple's code (as with
MacApp), then there are licensing fees. I would guess that shipping a
product with Macintosh Lisp results in shipping a significant amount of
Apple's code, hence the licensing fee.
Also, remember this is a flat fee, not a per copy fee.
> this swell new technology, right? Wrong; instead they charge a
> $100/yr royalty fee for developing with MacApp. Why? I don't have to
> pay $100/yr to make Toolbox calls. Why should I have to pay $100/yr
> to use MacApp?
You don't distribute the Toolbox code with your application. You do
distribute the MacApp code.
You don't have to pay any fee unless you distribute an application. The
$100 fee is for commercial applications. Presumably if you sell
applications for a living you can afford a licensing fee. If you produce
non-profit applications than the licensing fee is much smaller (the last I
heard it was $10). We made this change to the licensing agreement after
complaints from users.
> Apple should not be running their development services as a profit
> center. It's quite apparent that they are doing just that (the recent
If you think these licensing fees make a profit, then you are mistaken.
Larry Rosenstein, Apple Computer, Inc.
Object Specialist
Internet: lsr@Apple.com UUCP: {nsc, sun}!apple!lsr
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