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Article #41723Re: Simtel20: How does it work?
From: Alastair Milne
Date: Tue, 02 May 1989 06:50
Date: Tue, 02 May 1989 06:50
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rieman@boulder.Colorado.EDU (John Rieman) writes
>There's a simtel instructions file at the top level -- ftp get that and
>read it. In brief, it says: To ftp transfer a directory listing of
>macstuff, do
>
> get pd3:<macintosh>macintosh.crclst
NOTE: pd3:, *not* pd1: . I had a message recently from Robert Thum,
Simtel's Mac archivist, explaining this. The device was until recently
PD1:, so there will probably be lingering confusion. It is now PD3:, where
Robert says there is much more room.
>To just look at a directory or subdirectory, do
>
> ls pd3:<macintosh> or ls pd3:<macintosh.sound>
Are you sure? I didn't think you could do an "ls" to the 20 -- I thought
it had to be DIR.
>You can change to a subdirectory and get files with:
>
> cd pd3:<macintosh.sound>
Note that the target directory must *always* be specified in full,
starting with the device name.
>Lots of luck in getting and unpacking files, though -- I run into a
>wrong size byte error, which forces me to transfer binary, and then
>they don't unpack. Does anyone know the solution to that?
Yup. This has been said before, but bears repeating, because it's not the
sort of thing anybody would naturally think of.
Simtel20 is a DECSystem-20, and it has a 36-bit word, not 32 or any other
convenient size. When its ftp does a binary send from this to 32-bit
hosts, the wrong part of the word gets sent.
To fix this, use TENEX transfer mode, not binary. TENEX, if I recall
rightly, is the name of one OS that runs on the 20's (TOPS-20 is another).
It takes note of the discrepancy, and shifts the data it's sending to fix
it.
You'll find setting TENEX when you do ftp, rather than BINARY, fixes a lot
of problems.
The unhappy part is that DIR and MGET both need ASCII mode, so if you
actually want to look at what you're getting, you need to switch back and
forth between modes.
Alastair Milne
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