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Article #47870Re: No Macintalk in system 7? (was Re: Moose and SE/30)
From: Eric Pepke
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 1990 17:12
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 1990 17:12
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I apologize to the rest of the net for the essentially personal open
letter nature of this posting, and in my defense can only say that I was
responding to that kind of posting.
Dear Jordan,
It is unfortunate that you thought that I was spewing venom at you. I
appreciate your politeness in telling me so, and I will try to return the
compliment. I was not attempting to spew venom, and I stated that fact not
once, but twice. I am of the personal opinion that Apple has done most of
the Good Things in the computer industry and also that without excption
everyone who has contributed to this network is part of that. In
particular, I think that awareness of some people's special needs to serve
a very small minority of people is excellent and should be commended.
Of course, there is a problem in that there is a natural human tendency to
speak only when something goes wrong, and there is an equally natural
human tendency to remember criticism more intensely than praise. You
yourself might, even now, be hard pressed to remember the dozens of times
I have praised Apple for something. Add to that the fact that my style
does rankle some people, although I try to express general frustrations in
large and ridiculous metaphors, and I try to state at the beginning and
the end that no flame is intended. So, I understand how you may have
taken offense and may have been frustrated. Please reread my posting and
try to understand why I am frustrated. There is valid criticism hidden in
there somewhere. You say my words are powerful. Please grant my
explanations that I am not trying to flame anybody the same power as the
rest.
Also, please give some thought to another frustration of mine. Apple is a
fairly big company. Left hands don't neccesarily know what right hands
are doing, nor should they. I think that most of the people who watch
this net understand that. However, sometimes criticism of some of the
things that are done or not done gets lively. No, I don't see Apple day
by day, and sometimes, therefore, I don't know the source of the problem
to criticise. I generally assume that such sources are hard to track down
but that the first step in doing so is recognizing that there is a
problem. Often, when there is some serious criticism of Apple, whether
expressed harshly or not, there is one person who works at Apple and, in
spite of disclaimers, takes it to heart, takes it personally. This most
recently happened with the bit about the Microsoft suit. I can understand
how this happens, but please try to understand the effects. It tends to
belie the disclaimers and tends to turn this newsgroup into something like
AppleLink, with the world divided into Apple people and non-Apple people.
This would be a bad thing, because one of the great strengths of this
group is that it is informal, that Apple employees do not post _qua_ Apple
employees. As happened with the Microsoft suit, the us-vs.-them, take it
all to heart stuff tended to obscure the real message, that of what us
ordinary po' folk thought about it.
The other disadvantage is the fact that somebody is bound to take offense
at a remark tends to increase the frustration threshold for posting.
Also, it works. I received an Email to the effect that my posting had
been brought to the attention of developers. This is, by far, the most
fantastically fast response I have ever gotten to anything I have ever
brought up, here, through a mediary on AppleLink, or elsewhere! And I
thought I was just blowing off steam!
You're right. I don't see Apple day to day. On the other hand, you may
not see the end users that I see day to day. You may not see the teachers
who have fought loyally for Macintoshes for half a decade and are scared
that their software will break if they upgrade and only see phrases like
"not supported" and "we are committed to providing." You may not see the
leader of a major GUI project who says that Apple has become just as bad
as [another company, whose three initials spell out a scatological
comment]. You may not see the worries about the management shakeup,
especially in light of many recent statements to the effect that there is
no reason to assume that Gasse would resign, a couple of weeks before he
did. Hey, I don't see them day to day either, but I do see them
sometimes, and I listen. Sometimes I try to assuage their fears, for the
sole reason that I think that Macintoshes are still insanely great.
I have one final though for you. IMHO, people tend to criticize in an
escalating scale, like this:
1) Criticize politely
2) Criticize nastily
3) Criticize coldly and without emotion, using their wallets
Jordan, if you would like to discuss this further, I can be reached by Email.
Honest, I don't think that either you personally or Apple in general is the
Great Satan. Now that the surface tension is broken, I can be more courteous.
for (;;)
{
printf("Possible inferences notwithstanding, nothing\n");
printf("in this posting is intended to offend.\n");
}
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!attcan!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!swrinde!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!uakari.primate.wisc.edu!uflorida!stat!fsu!gw.scri.fsu.edu!pepke From: pepke@gw.scri.fsu.edu (Eric Pepke) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: No Macintalk in system 7? (was Re: Moose and SE/30) Message-ID: <560@fsu.scri.fsu.edu> Date: 12 Mar 90 17:12:40 GMT Sender: news@fsu.scri.fsu.edu Organization: Florida State University, but I don't speak for them Lines: 95 References: <oZwoIem00UzxQ2EEwC@andrew.cmu.edu> <48744@coherent.coherent.com> <3564@infmx.UUCP> <49013@coherent.coherent.com> <32015@brunix.UUCP> <39340@apple.Apple.COM> <548@fsu.scri.fsu.edu> <39364@apple.Apple.COM>