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Article #4963Re: Nisus TEXT docs (was: Nisus w/ footnotes)
From: Leonard Rosenthol
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1989 15:25
Date: Thu, 21 Sep 1989 15:25
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In article <1707@draken.nada.kth.se> ianf@nada.kth.se (Ian Feldman) writes:
>In article <1697@draken.nada.kth.se> d88-jwa@nada.kth.se (Jon W{tte) writes:
>
>> [original question about resource fork maintance]
>
> Unfortunately it does just that - deletes the entire resource fork
> of an existing (say McSink) TEXT file - and gives you no _preselectable_
> automatic option to resave it as a TEXT document without affecting its
> already existing resource fork or changing the original creator field
> to one of its own. This is, clearly, a mistake of such vast proportions
> that it renders Nisus <<effectively>> unusable in a multi-programming-
> tool environment. Mind you, I'm talking about version 1.0. I keep
> hearing that in spite of the newly released 2.0 which is, accordingly
> to many, "an improvement", a (Paragon) programmer already was mentioning
> an upcoming 3.0 release. My, my. Tell you something, Paragon. Call
> me when you decided if Nisus is to be a MS-Word-class word processor
> or a super-duper programming editor with word processing capabilities.
>
If the fact that the program resaves TEXT with a different creator
and kills the resource fork is so '<<effeely>> unusuable' then do tell
what you use for a word processor?? Since all of the major WP's for the Mac
all have this deficiency (and I do agree that it is one!), then I guess you
don't use any of them, eh???
(Oh, version 2.0 has the same problem, and I can't comment on
version 3.0 at this time...)
As to your question about where Paragon sees Nisus in relation to
MSWord, that's a good question. My understanding is that they want to go
head to head against MS, and are doing it in their own way. In many ways they
have made inroads into the Mac WP market by offering a set of WP Tools that were
not available anywhere else (eg. GREP) and now they are working on coming back
with the tools that maybe they should have offered in the first place (ie.
footnotes/endnotes, outlining, etc.). If you want to use Nisus as a WP, then
use it as such, it you want to use it as a 'super-duper pgramming editor, etc.'
then go ahead. I tend to use it for both depending on the task at hand, and
since it is the only product out there I can use as such, that is another
STAR in it's corner...
> I could use the latter provided that you you fixed some of the stupid
> deficiencies that are present in the 1.0 ("jump to beg/ end of doc,
> next/previous paragraph | sentence | word executed in the form of
> interpreted macros & not listening to command/ shift/ option arrow
> keys". Real sloooow; I could laugh a night away if I wasn't so
> pissed off with the result. Other examples of such non-quite-well-
> designed features too numerous to mention but available on request)
>
According to the 'Nisus Quick Reference' card sitting next to my
Mac (I keep it there for GREP reference), there are indeed way to do all the
movement that you requested (jump to beg/end of doc, etc.) from the keyboard
which have been in since v1.0. I would suggest that you read the first page
of the Quick Reference card for more information, for that matter, read the
docs, you might learn a thing or two!
As to the speed of the Macro Language, I agree that it is far from
fast (and far from perfect by any stretch of the imagination), but remember
that it is the ONLY WP with a builtin Macro language, and there are LOTS of
places they can go from here with it. I am glad it's there, as it has come
in handy on many occasions to do things that could not have gotten done
otherwise (or at least not without a LOT of work!)
(I will agree with you that there are a number of 'not-quite-well-
designed features though...)
> That is, call me if you're reading this, which I doubt in the first
> place.... so much for the (implied) product support where it really
> counts.... which should be right here, on usenet, and _not_ primarily
> available only by telephone within the geographics limits of US of A.
> Geography and user-support don't mix!
>
That is such a wonderful idea, but since not EVERYONE in the world can
get, or wants to get an account on a machine with USENET/Internet connectivety,
you can not hold ANY vender accountable for not being here online to support
you. More and more companies are slowly beginning to find the benefits of
doing online support, and it's getting better...
>--
>---- You just survived another load of gross exaggerations from
>------- Ian Feldman, the ASCII hacker / "I work to live, not the
and if I never have to survive another load, it will be too soon! <grin>
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!attcan!utgpu!watmath!att!dptg!rutgers!apple!well!svc From: svc@well.UUCP (Leonard Rosenthol) Newsgroups: comp.sys.mac Subject: Re: Nisus TEXT docs (was: Nisus w/ footnotes) Summary: Oh Really?!?!? Keywords: Nisus & user friendliness Message-ID: <13725@well.UUCP> Date: 21 Sep 89 15:25:11 GMT References: <10454@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <6502@columbia.edu> <10463@phoenix.Princeton.EDU> <1697@draken.nada.kth.se> <1707@draken.nada.kth.se> Reply-To: svc@well.UUCP (Leonard Rosenthol) Organization: Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link, Sausalito, CA Lines: 85