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In article <943@key.COM> perry@arkon.key.COM (Perry The Cynic) writes:
>In article <33114@apple.Apple.COM> mjohnson@Apple.COM (Mark B. Johnson) writes:
>> 
>> Apple Developer Technical Support is proud to offer a new service 
>> to the Apple II and Macintosh development communities:  Anonymous 
>> FTP to an Apple Internet host loaded with the most up-to-date DTS 
>> tools and documentation available.
>
>Not to belabour the obvious, but what about us poor slobs who are not
>connected to the internet? Second class citicens again?
>
>> This service is long overdue, and we thank the many volunteers on 
>> the networks who maintain other archives and make Apple's tools 
>> and documentation available to the masses.  If you normally get 
>> your files from these other sites, you should be able to continue 
>> doing so, as we are working with these people to make sure that 
>> their files are updated on a much more timely basis than in the 
>> past.
>
>Uh? What other archives? Could you provide us with a list of those
>Heavenly Souls? Specifically those who are ready to provide either
>mail service, or anonymous UUCP connections. Or, alternatively, could
>YOU provide an anonymous UUCP login on your wondrous machine?
>

No one is being treated like a second-class citizen.  If the FTP archive
is successful and serves the purpose for which it is intended, then
we will certainly have stronger arguments for providing more FREE services.

Since there are other sites providing mail-based servers, and, I believe,
UUCP connections, I am spending what time I can trying to get more software
and documentation in the archive here (which supplies these other sites).
I might also point out that due to the generosity of people like Roger Long,
many of these files are posted to comp.sys.mac.binaries.

Just trust that we are looking into a myriad of ways of providing these
development resources to people without cost, and when we can, we implement
them--it just takes a little longer than people want at times.  Considering
the recent policy changes concerning charging for developer support and the
current concern about security and press leaks at Apple, I would think
that the establishment of an FTP archive is a positive and solid first
step--one that might help restore some faith.  However, if what we are
doing still does not satisfy your needs (or satisfy them quickly enough),
then you can always spend the money to join APDA or the Apple Partners
and Associates program (where these resources are mailed to your door
every month and where you can pay for the privilege of downloading them
from AppleLink).

Enough on this topic.

I'll hope the moderators of the other archives on the net respond
with information on their sites, but to give you an idea, here is a small
list of the archives which we supply directly...

Apple II

Apple2-L from Brown University
University of Michigan FTP (35.1.1.43)
Harvard University FTP (128.103.1.56)
University of Kentucky FTP (128.163.128.6)
Proline BBS Systems

Macintosh

Stanford SUMEX archive (sumex-aim.stanford.edu)
University of Texas archives
Rice archives
Princeton PUCC archives
SIMTEL-20 archives
University of Michigan archives
Carnegie Mellon (umn-cs.cs.umn.edu)
And a few others in Europe...


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