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6 total messages Started by Rothstein Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:07
NS 486: Begin the Quest
#1589
Author: Rothstein
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 21:07
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As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I  
have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system  
will cost.  I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good  
prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list
of the best prices.

My idea of an entry Developers System is as follows:
	33Mhz. 486DX
	16 MB RAM
	500 MB HD
	accelerated localbus video (I dont know how much VRAM is needed
				    to achieve 16 bit color)
	17" color display

I planned to list retailers but I forgot to bring the info so i'll post  
that later.  In the current issue of PC WORLD they review a 17" color  
monitor by Acer (I'll have to check on that name) that they compared to a  
NEC 5FG and had a street price of $999.  500MB Hard Drives seem to be  
about $1000.  I've seen 4MB 70ns simms recently for $116 which means $464  
for 16MB.  I haven't checked motherboaards as recently but in Dec. I saw  
33Mhz. 486DX VL-BUS boards for ~$1000 (w/o video).  I have no idea what an  
accelerated Local Bus video card goes for.

My personal goal is $3000 for the hardware.  I know there are alot of  
other things that can go in a system but I fealt that this system would  
get you developing and you wouldn't have to throw out things when you got  
the rest later (i.e. move from 15"-17" display = throw away a 15" display)

Now as long as NeXT doesn't price us all out of development (esp.  
students) we could be in business.

Please post your best prices!!!

--
-Mont

   NeXTmail OK :-)
   President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group)
   mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu
Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest
#1595
Author: Mark Kern
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 00:34
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In article <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes:
>As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I  
>have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system  
>will cost.  I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good  
>prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list
>of the best prices.
>
>My idea of an entry Developers System is as follows:
>	33Mhz. 486DX
>	16 MB RAM
>	500 MB HD
>	accelerated localbus video (I dont know how much VRAM is needed
>				    to achieve 16 bit color)
>	17" color display
>

	Well, how about the current Gateway Systems :

		486DX2-66
		256k cache
		16 megs ram  (additional $320 or so)
		2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400)
		ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM)
		17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700)
		both floppies
		mouse, windows, etc.
		------------------------
		$4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118)
		$  95 shipping (natch)

	This is a system I'm thinking about getting now, and I sure hope
it will be able to run NeXTstep in the coming year.  Oh yeah, add $500 for
NextStep 486.

-=Simms=-
Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest
#1571
Author: Alex Currier
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 05:24
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>In article <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes:
>As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I  
>have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system  
>will cost.  I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good  
>prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list
>of the best prices.


I cought an ad in a recent Byte magazine for MicroTech systems and had
them send me some literature. This one caught my eye...

486DX2-66, 256K cache, 8Megs ram (expandable to 64), 248Mb HD
seven 32bit EISA slots, one 32bit EISA/Local Bus slot
3.5 and 5.25 drive in mid sized tower case
14" SVGA non-interlaced .28dp monitor
Mylex GLE911 EISA graphics controller (1280x960x16 or 1024x768x256)

$4275 base.

I'd like a 16" monitor and more RAM and HD but it sounds like a decent
system and it is all black... case, monitor, and keyboard... so I won't
feel too bad about it.


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mycroft@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu                      |   Pizza-in-a-Cup I have
alex@fiskville.mc.utexas.edu  (NeXTmail only)   |       ever tasted!"
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Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest
#1605
Author: Kim Simmons
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 17:19
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>>>>> ">" == Rothstein  <mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu> writes:

>> As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I  
>> have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system  
>> will cost.  I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good  
>> prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list
>> of the best prices.

>> My idea of an entry Developers System is as follows:
>> 33Mhz. 486DX
>> 16 MB RAM
>> 500 MB HD
>> accelerated localbus video (I dont know how much VRAM is needed
>> to achieve 16 bit color)
>> 17" color display

>> I planned to list retailers but I forgot to bring the info so i'll post  
>> that later.  In the current issue of PC WORLD they review a 17" color  
>> monitor by Acer (I'll have to check on that name) that they compared to a  
>> NEC 5FG and had a street price of $999.  500MB Hard Drives seem to be  
>> about $1000.  I've seen 4MB 70ns simms recently for $116 which means $464  
>> for 16MB.  I haven't checked motherboaards as recently but in Dec. I saw  
>> 33Mhz. 486DX VL-BUS boards for ~$1000 (w/o video).  I have no idea what an  
>> accelerated Local Bus video card goes for.

>> My personal goal is $3000 for the hardware.  I know there are alot of  
>> other things that can go in a system but I fealt that this system would  
>> get you developing and you wouldn't have to throw out things when you got  
>> the rest later (i.e. move from 15"-17" display = throw away a 15" display)

>> Now as long as NeXT doesn't price us all out of development (esp.  
>> students) we could be in business.

>> Please post your best prices!!!

>> --
>> -Mont

>> NeXTmail OK :-)
>> President CP-NUG (Cal Poly NeXT User Group)
>> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu


I'll bet you $20. that NeXT does price us (students) out of development.
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Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest
#1612
Author: Mark T. Dornfeld
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 20:55
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In article <108572@bu.edu> mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) writes:
>In article <1993Jan27.210733.107936@zeus.calpoly.edu> mrothste@data.acs.calpoly.edu writes:
>>As the release of NS 486 has begun approach (hopefully NeXTEXPO '93) I  
>>have started to look through the rags to see what my developers system  
>>will cost.  I like to sugest that we start a thread and as we see good  
>>prices on NS compatable hard ware we post them and keep a running list
>>of the best prices.
>>
>>My idea of an entry Developers System is as follows:
>>	33Mhz. 486DX
>>	16 MB RAM
>>	500 MB HD
>>	accelerated localbus video (I dont know how much VRAM is needed
>>				    to achieve 16 bit color)
>>	17" color display
>>
>
>	Well, how about the current Gateway Systems :
>
>		486DX2-66
>		256k cache
>		16 megs ram  (additional $320 or so)
>		2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400)
>		ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM)
>		17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700)
>		both floppies
>		mouse, windows, etc.
>		------------------------
>		$4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118)

Let's not lose perspective.  There is no Ethernet, no DSP, no SCSI, and no
sound system in this configuration.  Someone create a feature table with a
price column before too many of these comparisons hit the wires.
-- 

Mark T. Dornfeld                              Voice: (416) 234-9048
CYANTIC Systems                               Facsimile: (416) 234-0477
101 Subway Crescent Suite 2103                Email: mark@cyantic.com
Re: NS 486: Begin the Quest
#1610
Author: Howard Berkey
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 22:12
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In article <108572@bu.edu> mek@acs.bu.edu (Mark Kern) writes:

>	Well, how about the current Gateway Systems :
>
>		486DX2-66
>		256k cache

All 486's have a 256k data and instruction cache, don't they?

>		16 megs ram  (additional $320 or so)
>		2 340meg IDE local bus drives (additional $400)

Screw IDE, get SCSI or pref. SCSI II.  IDE sucks.

>		ATI Ultra Pro (16 bit local bus color with 1meg VRAM)
>		17" Nanao (Invar shadow mask, dynamic beam focusing, $700)
>		both floppies
>		mouse, windows, etc.
>		------------------------
>		$4415 (beats the heck out of an 8/250 mono turbo for $4118)

Well, it's color and faster.  But you still need an OS, and dev.
tools.  NS486 + all the tools will pump up this price quite a bit.
You also need ethernet, or ANY networking stuff for that matter. 
Plus something besides the lame PC sound capabilities, preferably with
a DSP.  All this will pump the price to over $6k.  Less if you don't
plan to develop software or hook it up to any kind of network.

For considerably less than this you can get a used color turbo slab
with more memory.  Or a new one on student discount.  Plus software
that comes with it.  Then it's just a matter of CPU speed, the 486
system will probably run about 1.5 times the speed of the color slab
at most.

-Howard

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