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Re: data point: non-ardi, (non-next) mac emulator

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From: Nicholas Weaver
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 03:17
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In article <1992Apr10.185313.14252@unmvax.cs.unm.edu> iclone!ctm@unmvax.cs.unm.edu (Clifford T. Matthews) writes:

>interest in a Sun product in this newsgroup.  I have reproduced
>the three parts that I think the most number of people would be
>interested in.  Single '>' denotes from a press release I was sent
>by a friend (I believe it was also posted in one of the Sun groups).

>> Liken provides an emulation of a Motorola 68000 processor, and allows
>> the use of the SPARC display, keyboard, mouse, hard disk, floppy disk,
>> and CDROM drives.  Liken runs under the Open Windows SunOS windowing
>> system and is specifically designed to operate with customer-supplied
>> Apple Macintosh System Software v. 6.0.7.

	I think that Cliff said is the key, it requires Apple's System
v 6.0.7 to operate, and I don't believe Apple sells that without including
their hardware.  NeXT does not sell NeXTstep 68040 alone, you have
to buy a NeXT with it.  This could cause DEEP legal reprocussions, because
depending on how creative Apple's laywers get, I could see Apple
going through, getting a court order to obtain all the registration
information, and get all of thse people for copypright violation.

	Even System 7.0, whcih Apple does sell, is SPECIFICALY an upgrade,
not an independant product.  ARDI's work is reverse engenerring Apple's
ROMs and System.  This would make it VERY hard for Apple to sue
ARDI, but with that sun product, the end user MUST violate federal
copyright laws in order to get it to work!  The only people who could
use it would be those who would buy a mac and not use it except as
a source for one software licence, in which case there is little point.
The only way such a product could work is an agreement with Apple, something
that (in my opinion) would be unlikely, because their Power PC
concept would be in compititon with low end Suns as well as NeXT etc...

	Executor is well priced.  I bought it at the expo partially to
support a great product.  I believe, once it is completed for everything,
it will be around $700, about the same price, but the concept of cheeper,
app-specific versions make sense for the problem of integrating NeXT
with Mac.

	Oh, one request for the final version of HSFx-fer.  Create
a volume ~/Library/Executor/Partition which contains the user's files,
and the one in the Executor app wrapper for applications, thus a user's
files would be protected, but applications would be in common.

	Also, a NeXTstep based interface for file transfering would be nicer
then the current (Macish) front end for the transfer application.

	Nicholas C. Weaver
	(Happy user of Executor-MSW, and joyous player of
	 Risk on the thing :)
-- 
                       Nicholas C. Weaver
nweaver@ocf.berkeley.edu                nweaver@soda.berkeley.edu
        It is a tale, told by an idiot, .signifying nothing.
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Subject: Re: data point:  non-ardi, (non-next) mac emulator
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