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Re: Net fraud or misunderstanding?

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From: Daniel Shelton
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 18:45
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In article <1992Nov3.080854.26518@u.washington.edu>  
zeno@phylo.genetics.washington.edu (Sean Lamont) writes:
> I'm posting this because I have a serious problem that I'm not completely
> sure how to resolve.
> 
> Several weeks ago I posted to comp.sys.next.m 
arketplace looking for used
> NeXT laser printers in the $1,000 range.  Out of a number of respondents,
> I chose a person who seemed the most trustworthy.  My criteria were:
> 
> 1.  I had briefly met him.
> 2.  He had been a regular net poster in the c.s.n.* hierarchy for some
>     time. (if you follow c.s.n.* you have seen this person)
> 3.  He is a NeXT developer and CEO of a small development company.
> 
> We sent the check on October 9. On the 14th he said he had received
> the check and would ship the printer out via UPS (which UPS tells me
> shouldn't take more than 3 days).  The check was received on a
> wednesday.  We waited.  Through the end of that week, and into the
> next week.  By the following thursday (the 22nd, 8 days after the
> check was received) we sent out some e-mail.  The next monday (the
> 26th) we received a reply saying that the intermediate carrier for UPS
> had accidentally held the package, and that he would fed-ex it out
> 2-day the next day.
> 
> On Thursday, after our package did not arrive from federal express, we
> sent off another e-mail message asking what was up.  We received a
> reply on friday (10/30) saying he had decided to not send it federal
> express because it was prohibitively expensive, and that he had driven
> the package to the UPS depot and shipped it.  He did not tell us what
> day he had shipped it, or when we could expect it (the implication was
> that it had been shipped early in the week)
> 
> All during this series of transactions we kept requesting information
> from him such as what the UPS office was that he shipped it from, the
> UPS tracking number, what day it was shipped, etc.  All of these
> requests fell on deaf ears.
> 
> On saturday we sent a message saying that it was most urgent that he
> get in contact with us, at any time via telephone, and said that we
> would take further action in this matter if we did not hear from him
> by the following tuesday morning (11/3)
> 
> Now, We have no idea where our package is , where our money is, or
> where the CEO of said company is.  He has an unlisted residence phone
> number, his business phone number lies completely unanswered all of
> the times I've tried, and net sources inform me that he has
> fundamentally dropped out of the NeXT community.
> 
> I'd like to believe that this was all a big misunderstanding.  But the
> fact remains that we are no closer to having a printer, and are out
> $1,000 with little idea of how to retrieve either the printer or the
> money.  This is also stalling my personal business goals, which
> potentially costs me even more.
> 
> I think my only course of action at this point is a legal one, but I'm
> not completely sure how to go about pursuing it.  I also don't know if
> I'm jumping a bit ahead of the game or not.  I'm not sure if there is
> some sort of accountability associated with having a UUCP connection,
> or whether the fact that he does business in the state would allow me
> to have help in pursuing this matter.
> 
> Any suggestions, anecdotes comments or sympathies can be directed to:
> lamont@abstractsoft.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sean T. Lamont                           |   "Don't oppress me, It's
> zeno@genetics.washington.edu             |    'computer of color!' "
> lamont@abstractsoft.com                  |_______________________________
> Abstract Software                                                        

Mr. Lamont,

	My first comment is that you always do COD.  Second I would post all the information you have on this person, eg name, address, e-mail, etc, so that the people on the net can avoid doing business with this person or perhaps persuade him to make good on his deal instead of dealing with the embarrassment and massive flames he would likely receive.

JMO,

Dan Shelton (dan@ennex1.eng.utsa.edu)
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