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6 total messages Started by Sam Streeper Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:54
Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
#1170
Author: Sam Streeper
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 01:54
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Boy do I have a lot of unwanted crud in my home directory.  I'd just like
to take this opportunity to encourage app writers to keep files out of
there, which makes cleaning up much easier.  I think a better solution
is to put app related files in

~/Library/Appname/crud_files

This way I don't have to look at them unless I want to see them, and I
can easily identify and nuke them.  Thoughts welcomed.


More idle pondering...  Is NeXTstep expensive?  Is it a bargain?  I think
the answer to both may be yes...

When you count licences for Unix, PostScript, Fonts, Renderman, etc etc
it all adds up.  On top of that, have you ever priced similar (if
inferior) tools and libraries on the sun?

Looking Glass is "something like" WorkSpace.  $795
I just got a brochure for a MallocDebug like tool, $3000
The list goes on.  This is expensive stuff!

But you know, I see that Bill Gates expects to sell 1.3 million copies
of Windows 3.1 in the first couple of months of release.  Do you ever
get the feeling that the computer world just waits for Bill to decree
what the next OS will be and then buys several million copies?

I think that's part of it.  The other part is probably that he is quite
shrewd and not very proud.  He's willing to sell an OS that runs on
machines that almost everyone has, and he's willing to sell it cheap.
It seems as long as nobody is willing to play by Bill's rules, Bill will
continue to get 95% of the PC OS market.

So what will the next big OS be?  I dunno, but I've got a pretty good
guess as to the criterion of success.

Hey don't send me mail about this.  I'm less in touch with reality
than most marketing types.  8^)  (ouch oooow!)

-sam


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Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
#1182
Author: Jeff Wishnie
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 05:23
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In article <3533@rosie.NeXT.COM> sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper) writes:
> Boy do I have a lot of unwanted crud in my home directory.  
> I think a better solution
> is to put app related files in
> 
> ~/Library/Appname/crud_files

Even better, why not keep them in the .app directory? That way they travel  
with the Application and never have to be seen at all. But, you ask, what  
about multiple users defaults, scores, and so on...

I'd much rather have:
	CoolApp.app/.jwishnie
	CoolApp.app/.bfink
	CoolApp.app/.escissorhands 

and so on than:

	~jwishnie/.coolapp
	~bfink/.coolapp
	~escissorhands/.coolapp

- Jeff
Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
#1194
Author: Robert E Davis
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 07:05
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In article <1992Apr10.052308.16112@Csli.Stanford.EDU> jwishnie@roadkill.Stanford.EDU (Jeff Wishnie) writes:
>In article <3533@rosie.NeXT.COM> sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper) writes:
>> Boy do I have a lot of unwanted crud in my home directory.  
>> I think a better solution
>> is to put app related files in
>> 
>> ~/Library/Appname/crud_files
>
>Even better, why not keep them in the .app directory? That way they travel  
>with the Application and never have to be seen at all. But, you ask, what  
>about multiple users defaults, scores, and so on...
>
>I'd much rather have:
>	CoolApp.app/.jwishnie
>	CoolApp.app/.bfink
>	CoolApp.app/.escissorhands 

	Yeah, but that requires a user to have write access to the
contents of the file package, which isn't really practical.  I like
Sam's idea.
	Another solution to consider is something that Right Brain
used to do (I use the past tense because I'm not sure if their latest
mini-apps use this method -- maybe they do).  They put all the stuff
in a .RightBrain folder in your home directory, kind of like the .NeXT
directory.  This might be even better than the Library/Appname idea
because it fits with the idea that no user should need to know
"technical" details.  Only the Unix Experts see the dot directories
anyway.  Why would a non-Expert want to see a bunch of garbage like
Tetris scores that you can't even read cluttering up your Library?


Robert
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| Robert Davis
| davis@sonata.cc.purdue.edu                                NeXT Mail accepted
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NeXTstep pricing (was: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations)
#1281
Author: David V. Wallace
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 12:42
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   Date: 10 Apr 92 14:36:00 GMT
   From: bwebster@pages.com (Bruce F. Webster)

   On the other hand, I think the $995 vs. $2500 for developer version
   pricing is awfully hard to justify, especially since development
   centers on the Gnu gcc/gdb development tools (which are free).

Ahem, I have to differ.  They may be free of royalty, but NeXT has a
compiler group working on them.  If they were free to look after, I'd
be out of a job!

Also when you buy the developer version you're paying for support too.
That costs something to provide.
NeXTstep pricing (was: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations)
#1216
Author: Bruce F. Webster
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1992 14:36
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In article <3533@rosie.NeXT.COM> sam_s@NeXT.com (Sam Streeper) writes:
>
> More idle pondering...  Is NeXTstep expensive?  Is it a bargain?  I think
> the answer to both may be yes...
> 
> When you count licences for Unix, PostScript, Fonts, Renderman, etc etc
> it all adds up.  On top of that, have you ever priced similar (if
> inferior) tools and libraries on the sun?
> 
> Looking Glass is "something like" WorkSpace.  $795
> I just got a brochure for a MallocDebug like tool, $3000
> The list goes on.  This is expensive stuff!
> 
> But you know, I see that Bill Gates expects to sell 1.3 million copies
> of Windows 3.1 in the first couple of months of release.  Do you ever
> get the feeling that the computer world just waits for Bill to decree
> what the next OS will be and then buys several million copies?
> 
I've been one of those grumbling about the NeXTstep pricing announced at the  
expo, but I've lately reconsidered just a touch. Microsoft's cheap pricing of  
Windows is not unlike the low cost to buy a Gilette Sensor razor; since  
Microsoft has the best-selling Windows app in just about every category  
(presentation and software development being the two major exceptions),  
Microsoft can afford to give away (so to speak) Windows while making billions  
of dollars selling Windows apps.  Since NeXT has no NeXTstep apps to sell, and  
since every off-the-shelf sale of NeXTstep is, in effect, a lost NeXT platform  
sale, NeXT has got to keep the price up so as not to lose money on the whole  
thing.

On the other hand, I think the $995 vs. $2500 for developer version pricing is  
awfully hard to justify, especially since development centers on the Gnu  
gcc/gdb development tools (which are free).  ..bruce..

Bruce F. Webster
Director, BRI
bwebster@pages.com

#import <pages/disclaimer.h>
Re: Files in my home directory, and other ruminations
#1367
Author: Mike Ferris
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1992 19:23
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Sam Streeper writes
>Boy do I have a lot of unwanted crud in my home directory.  I'd just like
>to take this opportunity to encourage app writers to keep files out of
>there, which makes cleaning up much easier.  I think a better solution
>is to put app related files in
>
>~/Library/Appname/crud_files

I'd rather see something like...

~/Library/CrudDirectory/AppName/crud_files

This way I wouldn't get a whole crudload of crud in my Library directory either  
(which I use a lot.)  Maybe someone could come up with a better name than  
CrudDirectory though :-)  Probably next would have to pick a name.

I think this is a splendid idea in general, and if I had ever written an app  
which put "invisible" files in home directories, I'd be changing them now.

However, most of those crud files contain nothing that couldn't be better dealt  
with by using next's default system.  I implore all application writers to use  
the defaults system when it is appropriate instead of littering my drive with  
little .* files.
-- 

Mike Ferris
mike@lorax.portal.com
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