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Started by Mark Crispin
Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:44
MIME-capable software
Author: Mark Crispin
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:44
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 04:44
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You can find MIME software at the following places:
thumper.bellcore.com: pub/nsb/
This system has both the MIME documents (BodyFormats.*) and MetaMail,
which is a software package layered on top of your favorite mail
reader to provide MIME capability.
ftphost.cac.washington.edu mail/
This system has the following MIME-capable software:
EasyMail - Pre-built binary of a basic MIME NeXTstep mailreader
MailManager - Pre-built binary of a more powerful MIME NeXTstep mailreader
imap.tar.Z - c-client developer kit including sources for EasyMail and
MailManager
multimedia-demo.mbox
- MIME torture test mailbox
pine2.4.tar.Z - Pine 2.4 source distribution (includes pine, pico and imapd)
pine-bin.next - NeXT binary for latest version of Pine
pico-bin.next - NeXT binary for latest version of Pico
EasyMail and MailManager haven't been worked on much since 0.8 days,
but they are MIME-capable as a result of my spending about a week to
add the MIME support to them. They will play the sound and show the
image (assuming you have ImageView installed on your system) of the
infamous 700K comp.sys.next.misc message. They have limited netnews
reading capability, in one of three ways:
(1) If you have netnews on your local filesystem you can open
the mailbox *comp.sys.next.misc and read the message.
(2) If you have access to an IMAP server with netnews you can
open the mailbox *comp.sys.next.misc on that host.
(3) Otherwise, you can copy the message to an mbox format file
using rn or your favorite tool, then open it as an ordinary
mailbox.
[Note: unless you have IMAP the `Host' field in Open Mailbox and the
`Repository' field in Preferences should be blank.]
Pine is a very nice mail and newsreader especially oriented for novice
users. It is a UNIX application. Last week, I was shown a version of
Pine which is MIME-capable, but I don't know if its developer
installed it on the distribution directory before going on vacation on
Friday. If not, it'll be available in a couple of weeks after he gets
back. The MIME-capable Pine displayed images on an X terminal, and I
think it could also play sounds on a NeXT and SUN.
All of this software is based upon c-client, which is a general,
portable library to support access to mail and news. The idea behind
c-client is that there is a single common set of routines that
manipulate mailboxes, so the developer of a particular e-mail or news
application can concentrate on the user interface rather than the
mechanics of manipulating mailboxes. c-client has been ported to a
wide variety of platforms, including DOS and Mac.
Complete sources for *all* of this software, both at BellCore and UW,
is included. There is no relation between the BellCore and UW
software other than the fact that they've been baked off against each
other and shown to interoperate.
What's more, all of this software is free. There's no `copyleft' to
restrict what you can do with it.
With all of this handed to you, there should be no excuses for not
having MIME capability widely available on NeXTs. If you don't like
the user interface of MailManager, you have all the sources and you
can hack at it to your heart's desire. Or, if you want to write the
ultimate MailAndNewsGrazer, you have in c-client a nice library which
supports the relevant standards and does all your parsing work for
you, so you can concentrate on your NeXTstep coding.
If, with InterfaceBuilder and c-client, it is too hard to write
MIMEware for the NeXT, then maybe NeXT isn't the great development
platform for `mission critical application' that its PR flaks claim.
I've heard you guys rave for years now. You can talk the talk; can
you walk the walk?
Better hurry. A guy at SUN recently finished a MIME SUN mailer based
upon c-client. I don't know if it was for internal use only or is a
new product.
CD_ROM
Author: Renato Bruno Pajarola
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:09
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 06:09
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I'm looking for a CD-Rom drive for my NextStation, and of course I'm waiting
for the Next CD-Rom, but as far as I've seen now it is the same drive as
Apple is using.
Both have 380ms average seek time, 64K buffer, 1.5MB burst rate and
150K transfer rate, only the Apple CD-ROM is cheaper than the Next one.
(The prices I've seen: Apple 660$, Next 790$)
But, do Next ship their CD-ROM drive with NextStep 3.0 on CD-ROM
for the same price ?
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/\ \ Name: Renato Pajarola
/ /\ \ Country: Switzerland
/ / \ \ Profession: Student in Computer Science
\ \ / / ETH Zuerich
\ \/ / E-Mail: rpajarol@iiic.ethz.ch
\_\/ NeXT is it ...
Re: MIME-capable software
Author: Ernest Prabhakar
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:03
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 18:03
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In article <MS-C.703140271.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes: > If, with InterfaceBuilder and c-client, it is too hard to write > MIMEware for the NeXT, then maybe NeXT isn't the great development > platform for `mission critical application' that its PR flaks claim. > I've heard you guys rave for years now. You can talk the talk; can > you walk the walk? At the moment, there isn't sufficient motivation for NeXT users to use MIME because NewsGrazer handles existing needs. As soon as someone shows a 'compelling advantage' to MIME, I'm sure things will start popping up. That will probably be when 'comp.sys.sun.misc' has about as many MIME posts as comp.sys.next.misc has RTF posts. How much MIME-compatible software is there commercially? How much is integrated by the vendor? Everybody's announced official support. Has that finally turned into usable products? > Better hurry. A guy at SUN recently finished a MIME SUN mailer based > upon c-client. I don't know if it was for internal use only or is a > new product. Interesting. SUN has been claiming a multi-media mail system for Solaris 2.0. Will it be based on MIME? Jobs said [in last month's MicroTimes] that NeXT had offerred to work with Sun on a 'common ground' for multi-media mail. Mark, if you really want to kill NewsGrazer, write something that is better, can read both RTF and MIME, but *only* posts in MIME format. If that's not what you want, why does it bother you so much that people are content with 'inferior, non-standard' technology? - Ernie P. -- Ernest N. Prabhakar Caltech High Energy Physics Member, League for Programming Freedom (league@prep.ai.mit.edu) CaJUN President NeXTMail:ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu "...and ourselves, your servants for Jesus sake." - II Cor 5:13a #import <std/disclaimer.h>
Re: MIME-capable software
Author: Scott Anguish
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:40
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1992 20:40
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FROM: BodyFormats.ps MIME (Multipurpose Internet Mail Extentsions) Mechanisms for Specififying and Describing the Format of Internet Message Bodies Nathaniel Borenstein, Bellcore Ned Freed, Innosoft March, 1992 Status of this document This draft document will be submitted to the RFC editor as a Proposed Standard protocol specificiation. Distribution of this document is unlimited. Looks like it still has a ways to go before it becomes a standard.... NewsGrazer has been the ADOPTED standard here for quite a while when it comes to multi-media messages. A de-facto standard would be great... Mark would not have to drop a ton of MIME mail on us, (which, would have been an abuse, even if it had been a NewsGrazer posting) Mark... you probably could have stripped, compressed and uuencoded your MIME stuff and sent it to us instead of that message. That would have had about the same effect. and may even have been constructive... Scott --- -- I have a brain dead mailer, so please reply to the below. Scott Anguish uunet.ca!digifix!sanguish@uunet.uu.net Digital Fix Development - fax 519 886 3673 (NextMail) -- -- I have a brain dead mailer, so please reply to the below. Scott Anguish uunet.ca!digifix!sanguish@uunet.uu.net Digital Fix Development - fax 519 886 3673 (NextMail)
Re: MIME-capable software
Author: Ronald Pomeroy
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:16
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1992 07:16
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In article <1992Apr13.180319.27959@cco.caltech.edu> ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes:
>In article <MS-C.703140271.1103527590.mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> Mark
>Crispin <mrc@Tomobiki-Cho.CAC.Washington.EDU> writes:
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>At the moment, there isn't sufficient motivation for NeXT users to use MIME
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
If it would reduce the excessive (NG related flamewars, SefFlames,etc)
noise in this group I'd have to say there's plenty of modivation.
JMH2CW
(just my humble 2 cents worth)
>because NewsGrazer handles existing needs. As soon as someone shows a
>'compelling advantage' to MIME, I'm sure things will start popping up. That
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
See above :-)
Ronald Pomeroy
n189ds@tamuts.tamu.edu
Texas A&M University
I speak for myself
Re: MIME-capable software
Author: Vivek Khera
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:01
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1992 16:01
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In article <1992Apr13.180319.27959@cco.caltech.edu>
ernest@pundit.cithep.caltech.edu (Ernest Prabhakar) writes:
At the moment, there isn't sufficient motivation for NeXT users to
use MIME because NewsGrazer handles existing needs. As soon as
someone shows a 'compelling advantage' to MIME, I'm sure things
how about this "compelling advantage": MIME is a standard format,
that is not platform dependent. It is also very extensible. and it
exists for many platforms today. I've got the latest version of MH
with MIME support built and running on our machines here at Duke
Computer Science.
will start popping up. That will probably be when
'comp.sys.sun.misc' has about as many MIME posts as
comp.sys.next.misc has RTF posts.
this is not a Sun vs. NeXT argument, its a World vs. NeXT-users
argument. If the rest of the world is going to use the MIME standard
for multi-media mail/posting, then why shouldn't NeXT users lead the
way as I keep seeing people claim about NeXT users... As the saying
goes, "either lead, follow, or get out of the way."
How much MIME-compatible software is there commercially? How much
is integrated by the vendor? Everybody's announced official
support. Has that finally turned into usable products?
are you telling me that NeXT is distributing newsgrazer with their
systems. i thought it was and add-on... How much newsgrazer
compatible is there available commercially? there are plenty of
MIME-compatible implementations out there. Just give the vendors a
little bit of time to incorporate them into their own systems. It
takes a good bit of time to make a production release of an OS, and
incorporating new features like MIME will take a bit of time. But if
you want to use MIME today, you can easily do it by getting one of the
freely available clients to let you do so.
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Vivek Khera, Gradual Student/Systems Guy Department of Computer Science
Internet: khera@cs.duke.edu Duke University
(MIME mail accepted) Durham, NC 27706 (919) 660-6528
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