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Hint: If you have Adobe Illustrator, you can copy the graphic to
a file with a .ai suffix, open that, and remove the annotations
for a better look at what's underneath.

					-=EPS=-

asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) writes:

>System Keys:  Remember the Sound, Power, and Light keys?  Well now
>they are ROUND!!  Yes, you read that right, according to this diagram,
>those keys are round!

But we don't need these keys there most of the time. They could be
located somewhere above all the other keys. NeXT should put the six
IBM-keyboard function keys (PgUp, PgDn, Pos1, End, Ins, Del) there.
Alternate-clicking the arrows below the scrollbar for scrolling by
page is a bit of a drag.
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In article <55506@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) writes:
|> Well, it looks like it's for real!  Looks like we're finally getting a
|> new, and slightly improved keyboard.  This information basically comes
|> straight out of the 3.0 UserGuide.  And for those who think this might
|> be vaporware, the new keys, and the alternate keys for old keyboards
|> is documented in a lot of places in the guide.  I doubt NeXT would
|> have gone to the trouble if it's not real!

I don't suppose you are allowed to post of the new keyboard?


George

Since I can't Newsgraze, here's the layout of the keyboard in the 
UI Guide (pulled off from nova, I believe)

normal, then shifted character

ESC 1! 2@ 3# 4$ 5% 6^ 7& 8* 9( 0) -_ =+ <-         LOUD POWER BRIGHT
TAB Q  W  E  R  T  Y  U  I  O  P  [{ ]} \|         SOFT       DIM
CTR A  S  D  F  G  H  J  K  L  ;: '" RETURN
SFT Z  X  C  V  B  N  M  ,< .> /? SHIFT		         UP
CAPS ALT HELP SPACE-BAR HELP ALT '~ (other quote)  LEFT DOWN RIGHT
	    COMMAND KEY-BAR


numeric keypad:

not sure about this one - image too fusy on printout
|
v
   /  *  -
7  8  9  +
4  5  6  +
1  2  3  Enter
0  0  .  Enter

anyway, pick up a copy of the UI guide if interested, it's on the archive
sites I believe.


Dan Hartman
danh@tekig6.pen.tek.com
omv@athena.mit.edu

In <1992Jul31.162314.5057@unixg.ubc.ca> george@unixg.ubc.ca (George chow) writes:

>In article <55506@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>, asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) writes:
>> <keyboard stuff>

>I don't suppose you are allowed to post of the new keyboard?

For all those wanting the picture of the keyboard, I don't know what
NeXT would allow me to do (after all it is out there on archive, but
maybe they might get miffed about sending it out via news).  Anyways,
I'm checking on posting it, and as soon as I find out, I will/won't
post it.

-k

asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) writes:
> Well, it looks like it's for real!  Looks like we're finally getting a
> new, and slightly improved keyboard.  This information basically comes
> straight out of the 3.0 UserGuide. 
     [skipping along]
> Biggest change: Command key looks to be a new seperate key, about as
> long as the space bar, and located just below it.  Very strange.

This is an odd twist, but maybe it will work out pretty well in practice.

> Help keys:  where the Command keys used to be, are now two Help keys.
      [skipping along]
> Personally, I could have wished they'd left one Command key on one
> side, and put the Help on the other, instead of putting a space bar
> like Command key below the Space Bar.

I don't think that would have worked out well for me.  I certainly use both  
command keys, and both alternate keys.  Basically I want either hand to be  
able to hit the command or alternate keys.

I don't think we needed two help keys though.  I don't expect to be using  
help *that* much!

> Caps Lock: An honest to goodness capslock key located to the left of
> the left Alternate key.

I hate caps-lock (the whole idea of it).  I wonder if someone will be able  
to neutralize this key and have it do something useful.  No particular  
preference comes to mind, but as it is this is an utterly useless key to me.

> Numeric Keypad:  The numeric keypad is now JUST that, no weird extra
> characters over there.  The + key is now two keys high,  and across
> the top it's = / * - keys.

Ugh.  I wish they didn't do the "+ key is two keys high" thing.  I know that  
there are some keyboards with numeric pads like that, but it screws up the  
pad for vt100 emulation (because there aren't enough keys on the keypad).   
Other than this keypad layout, I think the new keyboard looks pretty good.

Hopefully we'll be able to buy these for older machines.  I'll soon be  
working with two different NeXT's (the second one isn't bought yet), and I'd  
like to have the same keyboards on both!

> We still have those ugly arrow symbols for the Tab, Delete, Shift, and
> Return keys.  Come on NeXT, we can read!  Owell.

I, for one, prefer the symbols.

> Last Suprise: This one is PURE speculation since the diagram doesn't
> show this.  At the top/back of the keyboard, there is an extension,
> about a quarter inch or so that extends from there.  If you've seen
> the Apple IIgs keyboard, it is similar to that, but not as wide.
> Anyways, the suprise is that it looks quite possibly like the keyboard
> cable may be plugged into the sides of this extension instead of
> directly into the back of the keyboard.  And that the mouse might
> be plugged into the other side! I sure hope this one is true!

This would be very excellent if it's true!

I'm directing follow-ups to this to csn.advocacy, because it seems like the  
topic could be a long, personal-preferences-type of issue.  Of course, I  
spent more time trying to decide if I really *should* do that than I did  
writing this, because it hasn't been all that heated a discussion...

Generally this looks like a   Good Thing(tm)   to me.  I'll see if that  
opinion holds once I actually get one to type on.

--
Garance Alistair Drosehn     =     gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu
ITS Systems Programmer            (handles NeXT-type mail)
Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute;           Troy NY    USA

In article <55506@mentor.cc.purdue.edu> asd@sage.cc.purdue.edu (Kareth) writes:
> Well, it looks like it's for real!  Looks like we're finally getting a
> new, and slightly improved keyboard.  This information basically comes

[ ...lottsa nifty words killed ...]

> keyboards with old ones, or at the least selling them to us, for a
> decent price.
> 
> -k
I have seen this sucker first hand about a month ago.  It is about
the weight of a // GS keyboard (remember those?) and kinda looks
like it also.  As for the cmd bar it exists just where it is
stated, and I can't imagine who was thinking of this one?  Can
you?

But what got me was the mouse.  man what a mistake!!!  It looks
a little like a shuttle cock (whatever those things are called
in badminton).  It kinda looks like a hybrid of this and a bat actually.
Well, it is another big mistake.  Boy, you would think that
NeXT would just quit messing around with experiments and
go with the 'JACK keyboard'  ;').

Todd Nathan

<stdisclaimer.h>

In article <1992Aug2.005045.518@liveware.com> todd@liveware.com writes:
>I have seen this sucker first hand about a month ago.  It is about
>the weight of a // GS keyboard (remember those?) and kinda looks
>like it also.  As for the cmd bar it exists just where it is
>stated, and I can't imagine who was thinking of this one?  Can
>you?
>
>But what got me was the mouse.  man what a mistake!!!  It looks
>a little like a shuttle cock (whatever those things are called
>in badminton).  It kinda looks like a hybrid of this and a bat actually.
>Well, it is another big mistake.  Boy, you would think that
>NeXT would just quit messing around with experiments and
>go with the 'JACK keyboard'  ;').

Oh, boy.  Here we go again.  People have all sorts of varying and opposing, but
always strong, opinions about keyboards and mice.  Makes sense; these are our
most intimate connections with a computer.  How many MB of postings about
keyboards and mice are we going to have to read?  I'm not trying to discourage
anyone from posting, just please include something in the Subject or Keywords
line so those of us who are more interested in other things can filter them
out.

It's a no-win situation for NeXT.  The best they can do is offer something very
standard, uncontroversial, unexciting, etc. and provide a standard pinout (some
sort of Apple spec has been mentioned).  Then those who are unhappy with the
NeXT offering can buy a 3rd-party solution.  But I guess NeXT needs to remove
non-standard controls for power, sound, and screen brightness from the keyboard
if existing 3rd-party keyboards are going to work.  I like these controls on
the keyboard, so maybe there's no good answer.  I doubt the NeXT market is
large enough for NeXT-specific 3rd-party keyboards to be produced.  Oh, well...
-- 

Art Isbell                                                      Cubic Solutions
NeXT Registered Developer #745         NeXT software development and consulting
Email: isbell@cats.UCSC.EDU                                Voice: (408)335-1154
USmail: 95018-9442                                           Fax: (408)335-2515

isbell@cats.ucsc.edu (Art Isbell) writes:


>It's a no-win situation for NeXT.  The best they can do is offer something very
>standard, uncontroversial, unexciting, etc. and provide a standard pinout (some
>sort of Apple spec has been mentioned).  Then those who are unhappy with the
>NeXT offering can buy a 3rd-party solution.  But I guess NeXT needs to remove

I'm not sure how the power/brightness/sound keys are handled, but
the new keyboards/keyboard drivers are going to be Apple Desktop Bus
(ADB) compatible.  Meaning that you can buy one of the many
Apple-compatible keyboards and use it.  Perhaps a little box that
will control the NeXT-specific keys that also sits on the ADB?

Also notice that when you can control the NeXT with ADB components,
you will be able to use any of the devices that sit on a Mac's ADB
and listen on the phone line for a signal to turn on when someone
dials in and enters a code.  Just another standard to add to the
list...

-- 
David Lemson                                                 (217) 244-1205
University of Illinois NeXT Campus Consultant  / CCSO NeXT Lab System Admin
Internet : lemson@uiuc.edu                 UUCP :...!uiucuxc!uiucux1!lemson 
NeXTMail accepted                                   BITNET : LEMSON@UIUCVMD

In article <1992Jul31.051246.5997@csus.edu> eps@cs.sfsu.edu writes:
>Hint: If you have Adobe Illustrator, you can copy the graphic to
>a file with a .ai suffix, open that, and remove the annotations
>for a better look at what's underneath.
>
>					-=EPS=-

Newsgroups: comp.sys.next.misc
Subject: SupraFAX driver 
Summary: want vendor name 
Expires: 
References: 
Sender: gamage@paradox.colorado.edu 
Followup-To: 
Distribution: 
Organization: University of Colorado, Boulder
Keywords: Fax driver software 


Sometime ago a faxdriver for the SupraFax modem was talked about 
in this news group. I remeber that it was a company in Laramie, WY
that was writing the driver. If anyone has the address and phone number
of this place could you please e-mail it to me at gamage@paradox.colorado.edu.
Thank you.

Nimal Gamage
gamage@paradox.colorado.edu

In article <BsDts6.1oB@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu> lemson@uiuc.edu
	(David Lemson) writes:
>the new keyboards/keyboard drivers are going to be Apple Desktop Bus
>(ADB) compatible.  Meaning that you can buy one of the many
>Apple-compatible keyboards and use it.

Translation: meaning that *ssh*le software vendors would be
encouraged to proliferate ADB-dongle "copy protection."

Let's hope this is yet another unfounded (and inaccurate) rumor.

					-=EPS=-
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