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In article <1992Apr7.201733.25541@serval.net.wsu.edu>
pmiles@kili.eecs.wsu.edu (Peter Miles - MME) writes:

>Below is a list of universities that I have compiled from
>people who posted about "shitty (educational) dealers"

You show me, dog-breath, where *anyone* from the University
of Wisconsin (the which state's name you can't even spell)
posted even a mildly negative comment about the NeXT sales
program at this university.  If you can, I will promptly
apologize for calling you a name.  In return, assuming you
cannot produce -- I've tried to be a little more than
ordinarily vigilant, both before and since calling you
earlier on this mistake -- I think fairness indicates that
you should apologize to me and to my institution.

>There were several reasons given about this, ranging from
>being unfamiliar with the NeXT, to I can give a damn about
>NeXT's - I will sell only Mac's and IBM's.
>The bottom line is that these university campus computer
>sales reps, are not promoting the NeXT product line, and
>try to confince you that the only computer worth buying is
>a Mac or IBM. For NeXT to do better in their university 
>sales, these reps should at least acknowledge that NeXT
>is a quality machine and should be looked at when making
>a decision on which machine to purchase.

>Bad reputation:
>Washington State University     Brown University
>University of Washington        University of Arizona
>Berkeley                        University of Rochester
>University of Maryland          Brigham Young University
>Stanford                        University of Pittsburg
>Penn State                      North Carolina State University
>Rice                            Universtiy of Oregon
>University of Wisconson         Case Western Reserve University
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Notre Dame                      San Jose State University
>University of Hawaii            New Mexico State University
>University of Missouri          Duke
>University of Calgary           Harvey Mudd College
>Colorado State University       University od Colorado-Boulder

>The list below, is a list of schools that I have recieved
>outstanding and glowing reports on their enthusiasm with
>supporting NeXT products. 
>
>Good schools:
>University of Illinois          University of British Columbia
>MIT

>Peter J. Miles               A Mechanical Engineering Graduate student
>pmiles@eecs.wsu.edu          looking for a job in engineering software
>                                          Development

Assuming you're interested in a position in which common
sense and judgment might be involved, I would say you're
rapidly lowering the index of your employability.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888

I'm afraid I have to disagree about MIT being a god educational dealer.
They do seem to promote the NeXT line, altough not anymore that anyother line,
though this is questionable.

My main problem is that they seem very disorganied.

Ex1: A friend who ordered a NeXT Station was supposed to be told when
it was going to come in (they would call), checked one day (after a couple
weeks of waiting), the salespeople said they were not in stock. I called
the next day to see if they had any (to double check), and THEY DID.
However, the person was never notified.  It is possible that they came in
that day, and that the person was just not notified yet, but.....

Ex2: I ordered the CD-Rom bundle at least 3 or 4 weeks ago. Never have
been called to tell me it came in, went in two weeks ago, they said they
didn't know when it would be in and that I should wait.  Waited 1 week,
checked again, the person who handles all NeXT sales was not in.  Checked
today, again, the person was not in.  Now, I would think that more than
one person could handle NeXT sales, that you don't need a infinite IQ to
do it, but who knows 8-).  I finally tried emailing them today, currently
waiting for a response (sigh)

also, many people I have talked seem to have bad impressions of the MIT
Microcomputer center at worst, and neutral at best. No one I know has
actively praised them, but then again, maybe I just don't get out enough.
8-) 8-)

Of course, this may just be all a fluke, how about any other MIT students'
experiences?

omv@athena.mit.edu
Daniel K. Hartman

pmiles@kili.eecs.wsu.edu (Peter Miles - MME) writes:

>The bottom line is that these university campus computer
>sales reps, are not promoting the NeXT product line, and
>try to confince you that the only computer worth buying is
>a Mac or IBM. For NeXT to do better in their university 
>sales, these reps should at least acknowledge that NeXT
>is a quality machine and should be looked at when making
>a decision on which machine to purchase.

Sorry, wrong.  When I complained about Berkeley, this was NOT the
complaint I had.  The campus consultants are GREAT.  They don't sell
the machines, however.  They work independently to provide info about
the NeXT to prospective customers.

The clerk/order form people are the ones who are not knowledgable
about the NeXT, and unfortunately it is these people you have to
deal with in placing your order and following up on it.

Try not to generalize so much: I'm sure everyone who had problems
with their edu store had slightly different problems.  

Eric
(still waiting for my NeXT...)

In article <1992Apr7.230019.27915@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

   You show me, dog-breath, where *anyone* from the University
   of Wisconsin (the which state's name you can't even spell)
   posted even a mildly negative comment about the NeXT sales
   program at this university.  If you can, I will promptly
   apologize for calling you a name.  In return, assuming you
   cannot produce -- I've tried to be a little more than
   ordinarily vigilant, both before and since calling you
   earlier on this mistake -- I think fairness indicates that
   you should apologize to me and to my institution.

Think you might be overreacting?

   >The list below, is a list of schools that I have recieved
   >outstanding and glowing reports on their enthusiasm with
   >supporting NeXT products. 
   >
   >Good schools:
   >University of Illinois          University of British Columbia
   >MIT

Btw, who posted from UIUC?  Do they happen to know Doug McDonald from
the Chemistry department?  He's got a few NeXT/Unix horror stories.  I
particularly like the one where the NeXT salesman crashed a NeXT while
running Mathematica, and 1/2 hour later the machine still hadn't be
rebooted.

-Mike

In article <1992Apr7.201733.25541@serval.net.wsu.edu> pmiles@kili.eecs.wsu.edu (Peter Miles - MME) writes:
[Stuff deleted]
>Bad reputation:
[School list deleted]
>
>The list below, is a list of schools that I have recieved
>outstanding and glowing reports on their enthusiasm with
>supporting NeXT products. 
>
>Good schools:
>University of Illinois          University of British Columbia
>MIT
 ^^^---------------> I'd like to say that I've had terrific responses
		     from MIT.  Especially from Jafar.  He went through
		     great lengths to help me get my system together.

>Is there an interest for a numerical differential equation solver
>program on the NeXT ?

		     Emphatic YES!  <= Hey, is this legal use of the 
				       exclamation mark?

	Joel Belog
	nether@wpi.wpi.edu

In article <htaH!4mk6@cs.psu.edu> melling@cs.psu.edu
(Michael D Mellinger) writes:

>In article <1992Apr7.230019.27915@macc.wisc.edu>
anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:

>   You show me, dog-breath, where *anyone* from the University
>   of Wisconsin (the which state's name you can't even spell)
>   posted even a mildly negative comment about the NeXT sales
>   program at this university. 

>Think you might be overreacting?

Well, naturally I am.  I thought my earlier response was a
veritable *model* of civility, m'self.  But it apparently
takes a little drama to get this laddie's attention.

Besides, it isn't every day a dog-breath comes along and you
can call it by the right name, and that was fun.

Two apologies coming up if what's-his-name can produce.

-- 
Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888

Oh no, not again...
  
Just for the record, in case you missed the minor and very much
mistaken (at least on my part) flamefest a while back, please move 
U of Oregon off the "Bitched-About List" to the "Much Praised List".
 
On that note, ditching the whole list may be a good idea.  The list
of great places to go for NeXT help is nice to have, but the list
of bad places just isn't that useful.  (So why did I originally
complain?  Just stupid, I guess.. :-) 
 
Even if those places are really as bad as one or two people have said 
(and I'll bet they're not), their staff and inventory will change very 
quickly over time.  (By definition - these are schools...)  Sooner or 
later, someone will come by who gets hooked on the NeXT, and things
will get better.  And given the nature of NeXTs, they will probably
stay better.  The list will just hurt those people who need help the 
most.  Nuke it.
  
 -r'm
 
...........................................................................
Re'my Evard     remy@cs.uoregon.edu      Systems Staff & Research Assistant

In article <1992Apr7.201733.25541@serval.net.wsu.edu>, pmiles@kili.eecs.wsu.edu (Peter Miles - MME) writes:
|> Below is a list of universities that I have compiled from
|> people who posted about "shitty (educational) dealers"
|> .........
|> 
|> Bad reputation:
|> Washington State University     Brown University
				   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I understand from someone in the computer store here (and also from the
fact that their ancient display model is gone and there "authorized NeXT
dealer" thingy eventually disappeared) that Brown no longer sells NeXTs.
They referred me to MIT who, they said, had better prices anyway. The 
reason for discontinued service? "They didn't sell well - we sold ONE"

mike

In article <1992Apr7.230019.27915@macc.wisc.edu> anderson@macc.wisc.edu (Jess Anderson) writes:
>
>In article <1992Apr7.201733.25541@serval.net.wsu.edu>
>pmiles@kili.eecs.wsu.edu (Peter Miles - MME) writes:
>
>>Below is a list of universities that I have compiled from
>>people who posted about "shitty (educational) dealers"
>
>You show me, dog-breath, where *anyone* from the University
>of Wisconsin (the which state's name you can't even spell)
>posted even a mildly negative comment about the NeXT sales
>program at this university.  If you can, I will promptly
>apologize for calling you a name.  In return, assuming you
>cannot produce -- I've tried to be a little more than
>ordinarily vigilant, both before and since calling you
>earlier on this mistake -- I think fairness indicates that
>you should apologize to me and to my institution.
>
>>There were several reasons given about this, ranging from
>>being unfamiliar with the NeXT, to I can give a damn about
>>NeXT's - I will sell only Mac's and IBM's.
>>The bottom line is that these university campus computer
>>sales reps, are not promoting the NeXT product line, and
>>try to confince you that the only computer worth buying is
>>a Mac or IBM. For NeXT to do better in their university 
>>sales, these reps should at least acknowledge that NeXT
>>is a quality machine and should be looked at when making
>>a decision on which machine to purchase.
>
>>Bad reputation:
>>Washington State University     Brown University
>>University of Washington        University of Arizona
>>Berkeley                        University of Rochester
>>University of Maryland          Brigham Young University
>>Stanford                        University of Pittsburg
>>Penn State                      North Carolina State University
>>Rice                            Universtiy of Oregon
>>University of Wisconson         Case Western Reserve University
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>Notre Dame                      San Jose State University
>>University of Hawaii            New Mexico State University
>>University of Missouri          Duke
>>University of Calgary           Harvey Mudd College
>>Colorado State University       University od Colorado-Boulder
>
>>The list below, is a list of schools that I have recieved
>>outstanding and glowing reports on their enthusiasm with
>>supporting NeXT products. 
>>
>>Good schools:
>>University of Illinois          University of British Columbia
>>MIT
>
>>Peter J. Miles               A Mechanical Engineering Graduate student
>>pmiles@eecs.wsu.edu          looking for a job in engineering software
>>                                          Development
>
>Assuming you're interested in a position in which common
>sense and judgment might be involved, I would say you're
>rapidly lowering the index of your employability.
>
>-- 
>Jess Anderson <> Madison Academic Computing Center <> University of Wisconsin
>Internet: anderson@macc.wisc.edu <-best, UUCP:{}!uwvax!macc.wisc.edu!anderson
>NeXTmail w/attachments: anderson@yak.macc.wisc.edu  Bitnet: anderson@wiscmacc
>Room 3130 <> 1210 West Dayton Street / Madison WI 53706 <> Phone 608/262-5888

I would deffinately have to agree with Jess's post.  I purchased
a machine from UWM, and was more then happy with the service and
general friendliness that was offered to me.
		-Scott Violet (xepo@csd4.csd.uwm.edu)

pmiles@kili.eecs.wsu.edu (Peter Miles - MME) writes:
: Below is a list of universities that I have compiled from
: people who posted about "shitty (educational) dealers"
: There were several reasons given about this, ranging from
: being unfamiliar with the NeXT, to I can give a damn about
: NeXT's - I will sell only Mac's and IBM's.
:
: {munch}
: 
: Bad reputation:
: {...}
: University of Calgary           Harvey Mudd College
  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Whoa.  I won't even BEGIN to defend the U of Cowtown (Albertan nickname).
I will state, however, that when NeXTs were starting to get popular around
here (in Edmonton, at least), the U of Alberta was basically the sole
distributor.  This included to the UofC.

Well, that lasted for a few (likely underestimated) months.  After a while, we
told NeXT in Vancouver we didn't want them anymore.  I won't go into details,
but I will say that it wasn't just the PURCHASERS that had problems.

: The list below, is a list of schools that I have recieved
: outstanding and glowing reports on their enthusiasm with
: supporting NeXT products. 
: 
: Good schools:
: University of Illinois          University of British Columbia
: MIT

What?!?!  We didn't make it?!?  *DRAT!*

Better to be unmentioned than to ever be mentioned at all, I suppose... :-)
____

P.S.: I may work for the UofA, but these are *MY OPINIONS*.  I'm not even
  using my UofA account.  Therefore, if any of this bounces back into me, you
  may or may not be told where to bang your bits.  <leer>
-- 
Dan Berry == President, NeXT Edmonton Owners Network / UofA Computers Tech.
	bugs%atlantis@cs.ualberta.ca (bugs@atlantis.uucp) - NeXTmail OK!
"On a first date, watch how your date treats the waiter, the bartender,
	and so on.  That's how she'll be treating YOU after three months."