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2 total messages Started by Clifford T. Matthews Fri, 07 Aug 1992 03:39
Benefit of the Doubt (was Re: Copy Protection)
#323
Author: Clifford T. Matthews
Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1992 03:39
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This letter is primarily a response to Scott Anguish's response to
Irving Wolfe's letter.  I'm not reproducing the letter, since my intent
isn't to dwell on specifics.

Scott points out that the book market is much different than the Software
market, especially for people developing NeXT software.  I agree with Scott,
however, I'm biased; I've spent my last six years working almost round the
clock (I'm testing software as I write this missive) to get my (actually
we've been incorporated for three years, so it's *our*) product out the
door.

However, there are some subtle issues at play here and since no one else
has mentioned them explicitly, I thought I might describe some of my
experience, as an amateur juggler.  A common joke in juggling is that there
are two types of tricks, the easy ones that look hard and the hard ones that
look easy.  This is good and bad.  It makes performing for children fun and
not too difficult, but it is frusterating when the moves that you've spent
so much time on aren't as appreciated as they would be by other jugglers.
Of course it makes juggling for other jugglers a real bitch (in fact, I'm
really not a juggler by my own definition; I can't juggle five balls, which
leaves me a hack/duffer).

When it comes time to price software, it isn't as easy as some people think.
Here's a simple thought experiment.  If there is such a large gap between
what people are doing, and what is optimum, then if you know the true secret
to pricing software, and you're a programmer, you should be golden.  I do
believe there are people like that, but the people in question are the ones
that are second guessed the most (i.e. Bill Gates).

My own belief as to why unauthorized software copying is so rampant is that
it's easy to do.  I believe that if you set a dollar down in a reasonably
public place, it will be stolen quite quickly.  The fact that software can
exist at two places at once (unlike the dollar, or your NeXTstation/cube)
further increases unauthorized software duplication for two primary reasons.
The first is that it can be done surreptitiously; the original purchaser of
the software probably won't even know that it's gone.  The second is that
some people are going to consider it more ethical to copy software without
authorization than it is to steal physical property.

I believe that Irving was trying to point that out.  Irving most definitely
did not state that he copies software without authorization.  His "leveling
the playing field" doesn't hold with me, but I know several people who, if
they find money at the bottom of a telephone, or in a candy machine, will
take money that didn't belong to them.  I don't do this, I don't believe I
have any right to the money, but when I've discussed my peculiar habit with
people I'm usually told that it is alright, because sometimes I lose money in
the same machines and that it evens out.

So now you know; we at ARDI don't illegaly copy software, not even for
testing purposes, and I'm so straight (or you could say bent) that I don't
take money I find in coin returns; I don't think software is as overpriced
as many others think, and I encourage people to prove me wrong by developing
quality software and selling it for less.  But I must admit, what
pushed me into writing this screed was Scott's line:

     "This all leads towards that screwed up FSF/Stallman thinking
      that all software should belong to all mankind."

I doubt that Richard Stallman reads this newsgroup, and even if he does,
he probably has better things to do than to reply, so I'll take the liberty
to point out that the FSF is producing incredibly high quality work that
is worthwhile not only to use, but to learn from.  I believe the "Free" in
"Free Software Foundation" doesn't mean without monetary cost, but without
chains that prevent others from building on it.  Some languages have two
distinct words for the types of "free" that I'm refering to.  I've had
a chance to talk to Stallman about what I'm doing and he knows that we're
out to make money and he doesn't shun me, or call my thinking "screwed up".
I think he and the FSF is doing the programming community a big favor for
providing both the tools and the good examples that they do.  I personally
plan to help out in some capacity sometime; if some find that offensive,
they can boycott the FSF's work, but I hope everyone takes a good look at
the FSF before making up one's mind.

I hope sometime Richard, Scott, Irving and I (and anyone who's bothered to
read this far) can get together and talk in person.  I suspect with the evil
veil of ascii removed, we would enjoy each others company.  Let's all do it
over at Andrew Stone's house.  Just kidding Andrew and Relinda.

	--Cliff[ord T. Matthews]	iclone!ctm@unmvax.cs.unm.edu
	Abacus R&D, Inc.		ctm@ardi.com
Re: Benefit of the Doubt (long)
#337
Author: andrew abernathy
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1992 02:23
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In article <1992Aug7.033947.4677@unmvax.cs.unm.edu> ctm@ardi.com (Clifford  
T. Matthews) writes:

> The first is that it can be done surreptitiously; the original purchaser  
of
> the software probably won't even know that it's gone.  The second is  
that
> some people are going to consider it more ethical to copy software  
without
> authorization than it is to steal physical property.

I would suggest a few other reasons (if not excuses).  (This
is very wordy.  Pay attention - there will be a pop-quiz at
the end.)

One is that you "need" a "base level" of software to have a
usable machine.  Some kind of word processor/editor with
some formatting capabilities. Some kind of drawing
program.  If you want to develop, a compiler.  Some other
things, like disk utilities, etc.  These, of couse, are
inapplicable on NeXT - you get this stuff free. For other
platforms, if you have net or even bbs access, you can get
stuff for free for these needs, but many people don't have
access.  Also, people may need (want) a package very
infrequently and simply can't justify buying the
package for those occurences.  Or people may want a
package for no other reason than to show it off to other
people.  (Probably a fairly popular reason in the NeXT
community while the believers struggle to convert the
unwashed masses.)  Demo programs alleviate this to a
great deal, but demos are very often unavailable or
simply very hard to locate.

Another reason is that software really is very
expensive.  If you only needed a word processor, or only a
graphics program, you can probably justify the cost.  But
if you need a word processor at $200, a graphics program at
$400, three fonts at $150 each, a compiler at $200...it
adds up very quickly.  People start feeling justified. 
This is something which may well be aided by modular
software...application frames with minimum
functionality can be sold for very low price, and
individual modules can be sold for reasonable prices. 
Can't afford that fancy module?  Ok, get this less
functional equivalent for less money.

The last reason I have to suggest is a lack of respect for
available applications.  This is one I felt keenly when I
lived in the DOS world.  I seriously feel that the
significant majority of DOS software ranges in quality
from total trash to very poor.  Much of this is due to
environment limitations, much also due to management
pressures on programmers to provide products within
unrealistic time frames.  Compromises are made, product
quality suffers, maintenance goes way up due to the
compromises, added functionality has to be shoehorned
into a structure that may (or may not) have been designed
for expansion but no longer is easily capable of
expansion due to the compromises, taking significantly
more time and effort than should be required.  (This is why
freeware and shareware are often of much better quality
than traditional commercial software...it's a labor of
love as opposed to a labor (purely) for money.  Please note
that I'm not opposed to people making money on software,
but I do want developers to provide a reasonably
implemented product.  I may not know how well it's
implemented at first, but over time it'll show.)  Another
reason for poor software which cannot be ignored is poor
programmers.  (I'm a programmer, and I see some of these
things.  Whether or not I'm a decent programmer depends on
who you ask...me or other people.  :)

I personally normally don't steal NeXT software.  (Yes, I
know I said "normally"... read on for what I did steal.)  I
do have two (infrequently used) shareware packages that
I haven't registered, one because it's ludicrously
priced and the other because it's an extremely poor
implementation.  I also have several shareware fonts I
haven't registed.  I am registering them over a period of
time...one of my checks was returned due to the font
creator having moved and there being no forwarding
address.  I don't know that I'll ever be ABLE to register
it.  (It's Flintstone, if anyone knows how to get in touch
with the creator, Peter S. Bryant.)  And I did get a friend
in school to buy me a package at educational prices
because I didn't need the package but the educational
price was irresistable.  Beyond that, the machine is very
usable as is, and the third-party software tends to be
very good...I've got too much respect for it to steal it. 
Of course, that means that there's much software that I'd
love to have that I don't... I'll have to do without or with
less until I CAN afford the stuff I want.

I apologize for rambling on so long, but I don't hear some
of these reasons mentioned normally, and I really feel
that until there are applications for all levels of needs
and pocketbooks but which can still exchange documents
as appropriate, that software piracy will continue to
rage unabated.  (Special thanks to ARDI for an extremely
well-priced package that I will be purchasing shortly
after NeXTSTEP 3.0 comes out; also to RightBrain for the
August special... I'd had my eye on the rulers for a while
now, but couldn't justify the cost, so I snapped it up as
soon as I saw the special.) 

---
andrew_abernathy@wire.gwinnett.com (NeXTmail gleefully accepted)
I'll deny I ever said it
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andrew_abernathy@wire.gwinnett.com (NeXTmail gleefully accepted)
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