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Re: AppleTalk and 3.0. It does not work.

#1725
From: Eric P. Scott
Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1992 11:56
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In article <1992Sep29.170327.20939@news2.cis.umn.edu>
	jalegre@htlv.med.umn.edu (John Alegre) writes:
>Has anyone got AppleTalk connections to work under 3.0?

>Nothing shows up for our Mac running 7.0.
>
>Is this supposed to work with the built in AppleShare of
>7.0 or do you need the full blown installed AppleShare?

Test machine: NeXTstation (25MHz), 32MB RAM, nbuf=128

NetInfo options:
	AppleTalk
		Enabled YES
		AppleTalkPhase 1
		NetID [as assigned by administrator]
		NodeID 1
		ZoneName [as assigned by administrator]
	AppleTalk/AppleShare
		Enabled YES
		ResourceForks SHOWN
		CharacterEncoding MAC-ROMAN

Connections were made to both a dedicated AppleShare 2.0 server
and a Mac II running System 7.0 + TuneUp 1.1.1 + AppleTalk and
EtherTalk upgrades/fixes from Network Software Installer 1.2.2
(note that Apple released a newer version a few days ago).  The
AppleShare server is on LocalTalk through a Shiva FastPath.
The 7.0 system was switchable between LocalTalk and EtherTalk
(Phase 1 and Phase 2, although I didn't try Phase 2).

+ All AppleTalk Zones were visible.
+ The NeXT took a noticeable amount of time to find all the nodes
  in a Zone.
+ New nodes would be discovered, but removed nodes would not be
  purged.
+ Attempts to log in as a Guest user usually failed with "Invalid
  User Name or Password.  Please try again."  This was
  repeatable.  Curiously enough, after switching to "Registered
  User" and clicking OK (which would, of course, fail), switching
  back to "Guest" would work!  (This was true for both AppleShare
  2.0 and System 7.0.)
+ It is not possible to provide authentication without the
  NeXTSTEP Window Server running (for example, when logged onto
  the true console).
+ Machines whose names contained certain "high bit" characters
  would be accessible through the browser, but not in either
  standard shell.
+ Shutting down file sharing resulted in NO notification to the
  NeXT user!  (Macs pop up an alert.)
+ There is no way to specify which volumes to mount; all
  available are mounted, which may partially explain the lengthy
  setup delay.  Also, it seems to be necessary to manually
  perform Update Viewers to make files appear (or browse
  elsewhere and come back).
+ There is no clear indication when a volume was not mounted due
  to lack of server permission.
+ The "Disconnect" option in AppleTalk Preferences sometimes
  refused to work, even when no obvious file reference existed.
+ Logging out did not unmount AppleShare servers.  Logging in
  again would wedge the automounter resulting in NFS getattr
  failures on terminals or a hopelessly hung Workspace when
  attempting to browse AppleShare, making it impossible to log
  out.  (Reboot seems to be the best course of action here.)
+ The automounter didn't always dismount properly at shutdown,
  with the message "CAUTION: some processes wouldn't die"
  appearing.

"Really looking forward to NeXTSTEP 3.1"

					-=EPS=-
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