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Started by Jeff Putnam
Fri, 30 Oct 1992 13:41
netinfo and bile
Author: Jeff Putnam
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 13:41
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1992 13:41
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I tried to post this a couple days back but the nntp server was seriously hosed and I dont think it got out, so here goes again.... I posted recently about a problem I was having with netinfo. Several people kindly sent me mail about how to fix it, unhappily, none of their suggestions worked. I've just spent about two hours bouncing my NeXT up and down with various things tried to fix netinfo and to absolutely no avail. One person suggested that I delete the current netinfo directories and replace them with the default ones in /usr/template/client/etc... Seemed reasonable enough, but when I do this, the machine wont boot. Happily I can get in with a single user boot and replace the netinfo directories with a backup copy of the old (and broken) ones. So, since next doesnt seem to care much about their users, I get stuck with a broken netinfo. This is about it for me. I like NeXT for some things, but for others, it really is pretty awful. I used to be able to recommend (cautiously) NeXTs to people, from now on, forget it. Why?? Two basic reasons. First is NeXT is nonstandard and doesnt seem to be getting enough market share to make it a reasonable alternative to anything. Second, NeXT is afflicted with the "if we dont want to do it that way, nobody should want it. We know best." attitude. 3.0 on my machine is substantially slower than 2.1 (though prettier). Then, netinfo is seriously broken and there seems no way to fix it - and natually enough, NeXT doesnt tell what the format of the netinfo database is so i cant repair it by hand. (I'm going I still cant easily change titles on a terminal window (yes, I do know how to do it, but its not _easy_), or colors (if I want to make my screen into angry fruit salad, its none of anyone elses business). Icon went away as did a couple of demos that I rather liked and sometimes used to show people the machine, and to illustrate some stuff I've been working on. I actually used Icon a lot to convert things from color to monochrome. Yes, I did figure out how to do that with the printer menu, which is a much nicer way, but it took a hell of a long time to find that. Too many apps require mouse handling to do things and keyboard equivalents are often quite clumsy. I can change some of them, but sometimes there is no equivalent. For example, I'd like mail to scroll down in the text window without using the mouse. I need to use X windows, actually bought co-x-ist (or whatever the thing is called) and found that it was far too slow for any real use. Doing graphics that set pixels on the screen is not easy - it takes far too much boilerplate - and not easy boilerplate at that - to get something that just plots points. I do this a lot and still havent found the perfect way to do it. Compared with X windows, in which I've got a file with all the boilerplate in it and just need to copy that and make a few changes (work of a couple minutes), its a major pain. I dont like click-to-type and had that patch to the window manager installed in 2.0,2.1, but it never worked quite right and has now gone away. If anyone has a copy of it for 3.0, I'd appreciate it. Just because someone at NeXT likes to click on a window and have it pop up and sit on the front of the screen doesnt mean that everyone likes it. (Another example of the "NeXT Knows Best" attitude.) Neither Edit nor Emacs have multiple windows under nextstep. at this point one of the major reasons why i use X is to get to epoch which allows me to do that. There doesnt seem any NeXT step library for other machines so I can set up remote applications - to let other machines with more muscle do the heavy work and to let my slab sit and just run the windows. And on and on... (there is lots more...) So, I can no longer recommend NeXT to anyone. In fact, I now must discourage people from NeXT's. Too bad, as in many ways it has promise. -- jefu <=> Jeff Putnam - New Mexico Tech <=> jefu@nmt.edu "Overturn the dominant paradigm"
Re: netinfo and bile
Author: Meinhard E. Mayer (Hardy)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 06:59
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1992 06:59
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I had similar problems with Netinfo; fixed it by removing all the old netinfo stuff (including the password file) AND MOST IMPORTANTLY editing the /etc/hostconfig file not to use routed (here is a sample: # # /etc/hostconfig # # This file sets up shell variables used by the various rc scripts to # configure the host. Edit this file instead of rc.boot. # # Warning: This is sourced by /bin/sh. Make sure there are no spaces # on either side of the "=". # # There are some special keywords used by rc.boot and the programs it # calls: # # -AUTOMATIC- Configure automatically # -YES- Turn a feature on # -NO- Leave a feature off or do not configure # HOSTNAME=Weyl INETADDR=192.42.172.2 ROUTER=-NO- IPNETMASK=255.255.255.0 IPBROADCAST=-AUTOMATIC- NETMASTER=-NO- YPDOMAIN=-NO- TIME=-AUTOMATIC- --- After that I logged in (as me), niloaded by hand the /etc/passwd /etc/group, /etc/fstab, /etc/printcap, etc etc files (which I nidump every night just for such emergencies), rebooted, and was there. I agree with your comments on emacs (it is still version 18.55 and somewhat crippled -- can't run lisp/scheme subprocesses), but co-Xist is not that slow (I am speaking of 3.0) and I use it all the time. Yes Netinfo is a pain -- and using the NextAdmin managers does unpredictable things to you (it sed's the /etc/hostconfig file to what IT thinks you may want). I wish NeXT would let us do things in a more controllable way! -- Hardy ----- Meinhard E. Mayer, Department of Physics, UC Irvine e-mail: hardy@golem.ps.uci.edu (preferred) or MMAYER@UCI.BITNET
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