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	ORDER LIST for ET532 PCBs (Printed Circuit Boards)
		( As at 16 Oct 92 )
PCB COST
	Will include shipping, PCB material, & shared photoplotting charges
	costs will be announced when known, after which,
	time will be allowed for changes, & then prior payment.
	From jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu Fri Oct 23 04:06:27 1992
	> As for costs of materials nothing back yet..
	> we might wanna hang at 25 for right now.. that'll at least let us get
	> some tested without making things to hard on the pcb end.
	> Would still like to run at least some of the et532 boards off..
	> I'd be more than willing to run them without getting payed 
	> anything for materials, until I'm sure they turned out ok..

SERIAL PCB
	marcb@img.com.au (Marc Boschma) asked:
    	> Would the serial board be run off as well ?
	kls@ditka.chicago.com said:
	> having a dedicated processor to drive those
	> serial ports is a very appealing resource ...
	Good question, first some background info:
		A few weeks ago I asked George Scolaro:
		> > - Do we also need to make piggy back octart PCBs ?
		> Only if you want to have more serial ports.
		Looking at George's ET532 schematics:
			The ET532 can take 2 * SCC2698, each 2698 supports
			EIGHT serial ports ! The optional `piggy back' board
			has 16 * 145406, 16 * DIL Headers, Caps, & 2 Long DILs
			to connect to ET532 main board.
	For the ET532 to function just as an ethernet card, it should not be
	necessary to populate the 2698 sockets, nor to have a piggy back card.
	I do however foresee need for a few of us to have one serial port,
	as I guess software development'll probably go in 3 stages:
		1 Write/debug eprom for ET532 to talk to a serial port
		  (& prove hardware design works)
		2 Extend ET532 monitor to talk over SCSI bus to some kind
		  of software interface on the PC532, so PC532 can download
		  code to ET532 & set breakpoints etc ?.
		3 Develop ET532 ethernet code & ET532/PC532 higher level
		  protocols etc.
	It will be easy for a few of us to wire wrap a protoboard lash up
	to assist (1) & (2), it shouldnt be necessary for everyone else.
	Doubtless the piggy back board is a very simple layout though,
	& if its easy for Jonathan to make a few, we will (& if not, not :-) ).
	Main thing is to get the ET532 PCBs fabricated :-) .

PHOTOPLOTTING
	From jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu Fri Oct 23 04:06:27 1992
	> and I should be able to plot them out fine here.. will see..
	jjsmith said he could do this if necessary, But ..
	To spare him some work (he hasnt got his pc532 pcb yet after all),
	if anyone else can arrange photoplotting Please Speak.
	( I have George's gerber info etc here, available on requeste (800K) )
	George said re photo-plot printing on my 300 dpi laser
	> No, the resolution would be awful. In addition the linearity 
	> would not be good enough to support the re-photo
FTP
	From jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu Fri Oct 23 04:06:27 1992
	> Oh, those gerbers of the PC532 got corrupted somewhere, probably 
	> my side.
	> Also, be easier if I could get the et gerbers from a ftp site?
	> arrange to stick them up for a short while someplace?
	I'll surface post them probably with a copy of the ET532 gerbers, 
	unless anyone else can ftp him them.

IC COSTS
	Bryan Davis bdavis@apple.com said
	> from the Bay Area....
	>  Hamilton/Avnet (a distributor for National)
	>                1-24    25-99   100+
	> NS32GX32-ANU20  $110.00 $95.00  $86.50
	> NS32532-25      $825.00 $685.00 $595.00

	johnc@manatee.UUCP (john connin) Wed, 7 Oct 1992 19:16:47 GMT said:
	> it might be easier and cheaper to pull the ethernet
	> related parts from a no-name 8-bit ethernet card.
	Are the parts the same as I posted in George's build list ?

	Has anyone else got prices CPU prices ? 
	Could someone please ask at a US West Coast IC shop, what an IC kit
	price would cost (1 off & 20 off pricing I suggest).
	( I believe jkh@sparc3.lotus.com (Dublin) can provide
	names of IC shops for someone in the USA to ask at. )

	The build list was posted to enable pricing exercises. People are
	consuming their time & mine asking me for pricing, but I'm in the
	wrong country for cheap or easily available prices, VOLUNTEERS PLEASE !

TOTAL PROJECT COST
	This PCB order list does NOT commit you to IC purchase,
	If short of cash, you can enroll on what will likely be a once
	only ET532 cheap PCB fabrication run, then some time later buy the ICs.
	I dont know board cost yet, as soon as I do I'll post the info,
	(Yes really ! - no need to keep emailing/posting this question :-) ).

	rickr@virtech.vti.COM (Rick Rodman) said
	> However, if you want to run Minix, the GX32 won't work.  It has no MMU
	SO ? The GX32 goes on the ET532 daughter board ! ( that inserts into one
	of the 4 scsi slots on the PC532 mother board ) Your existing expensive 
	32532 on the PC532 runs Minix/Mach whatever, a future cheap GX32
	does single tasking ethernet (& serial) buffer to scsi bus transfers,
	nothing more.
	Very few (if any) of us will want to pay an extra $700 just so
	we can run Mach on both processors, instead of just one.

IC KIT DISTRIBUTION
	Hopefully someone(s) will consider doing IC bulk purchase & kit
	distribution. (doesnt need to be same person who does pricing
	investigations, but shouldnt be me, USA should be better purchase
	& distribution point than Germany)

SOFTWARE:
	Dave Rand <dlr@daver.bungi.com> mailed to say
	> I have the software for the Ethernet already done, including
	> an Ethernet-based monitor, and DOS client. I'll do the low-level
	> Ethernet driver (tricky, 'cause you have to handle the special cases).
	(so I assume you want 3 PCBs bdale ? )
	Rennolet (Kumar)" <rennolet@cs.umn.edu said  Wed Oct  7 
	> I will help write the drivers.

FINANCE
	I can probably help bank rolling cash flow for PCBs &/or ICs if
	necessary, but if someone else wants to, feel free ! ;
	maybe someone who lives where the US $ is native currency,
	& not subject to bankers exchange commisions !

	-	-	-	-	-	-	-	-
To estimate costs, & in preparation for board production ...
all `If's `But's & `Maybe's  have been quantised to a 1 or 0 !

Digit in left margin is number of ET532 PCBs you will pay for, ie
	0	You will NOT receive a board.
	1	You will pay an as yet unknown amount for 1 PCB.
	2++	You will also pay for others who are not listed below.
Next Digit is number of optional Serial piggy back pcbs you will pay for
	( don't bother emailing me your preference about this yet, 
	if I can get these made, I'll take orders later )

# PCBs ; EMAIL shown by "From:" ; .signature EMAIL NAME ; HUMAN NAME ; COMMENT

YES - DEFINITE PCB ORDER
1 1 stacey@guug.de			Julian Stacey
1 ? jjsmith@nyx.cs.du.edu,		Jonathan Smith
1 ? mch@regent.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de	Michael Herman
1 ? dlr@daver.bungi.com			Dave Rand
1 ? sverre@nrel.gov			Sverre Froyen
1 ? arnol7.arnold@ibmmail.ibmx400.nl	Stuart Arnold
1 ? jonb@altsys.com 			Jon Buller	NO ICs
1 ? bdavis@apple.com			Bryan Davis
3 ? bdale@gag.com + Fred & John		Bdale Garbee	If drvr
1 ? tbr@tfic.bc.ca			Tom Rushworth
1 1 kls@ohare.Chicago.COM		Karl Swartz
1 ? rennolet@cs.umn.edu			Kumar Rennolet
1 ? khe@meepmeep.pcs.com		KarlHeinz Eckmeier
1 ? jkh@esel.lotus.com			Jordan K. Hubbard
1 ? rickr@virtech.vti.com		Rick Rodman
1 ? leo@marco.de			Mathias Pfaller	has 32532 chipset
1 ? tom@sandra.pp.fi			Tom Javen	If few 10s of $ 
1 ? antsu@sandra.pp.fi					If few 10s of $ 
1++ ? john.connin@OAU.ORG		John Connin	If PCB $ modest 
1 ? phil@cs.wwu.edu			Phil Nelson	if < $100
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YES - VERY LIKELY
1 ? nomad@CASTLE.ORG				Lee Damon	< $100
1+ ? ackley@banana.cis.ohio-state.edu john@softspace.com John James Ackley
1 ? loeliger@bach.convex.com			Jon Loeliger	1 tty IC
1 ? pete%puffin@wvus.org			Pete Carah  Board<$300
1 1 marcb@img.com.au				Marc Boschma
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INTERESTED - BUT NOT COMMITTED YET
0 ? sef@kithrup.COM				Sean Eric Fagan	How Much
0 ? DALL@hfrd.dsto.GOV.AU			Ian Dall
0 ? etnrwi@hisoy.etn.ericsson.se		Raymond A. Wiker
0 ? glowell@allegro.com				Gary Lowell
0 ? jvh@cs.hut.fi				Johannes Helander 32532
0 ? frank@ginger.sri.com			Victor Frank	? No ICs
0 ? gtw@img.com.au				Grant Waldram 
0 ? mem@zwac.mv.com				Mark Mallett	How Much
0 ? rhyde@ucrengr.ucr.edu			Randy Hyde	How Much
0 ? gj@pcsbst.pcs.com				Gary Jennejohn
INTERESTED BUT UNLIKELY.
0 ? mattias@lysator.liu.se	Mattias Olofsson & Johannes Helander
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THOSE LISTED AS `YES' A YEAR AGO BY JON LOELIGER (Please email Julian, Yes/No)
0 ? montana!asgard@convex			J.R. Stoner
0 ? david@marvin.jpl.oz.au			David Magnay
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NOT AT PRESENT
0 0 gs@chips.com				George Scolaro	Not Until unix avail
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NO A YEAR AGO
0 bolo@cs.wisc.edu				Joe Burger
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Changes: Email me, I will email acknowledge, & repost periodically.

Julian Stacey		stacey@guug.de	(& julian@meepmeep.pcs.com on Fridays)