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On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:48:44 -0400, tomoharu_nishino@post.harvard.edu
(Tomoharu Nishino) wrote:

>Okay, here's the scoop:
>
>First, I have no experience with CJKOS, but if Japanese is what you
>want, then JOS is the way to go, anyway.
>
>
>The freeware (JOS 1.9) route:
>
>- Go to Mr. Tatsushi Yamada's homepage at:
>http://www.tt.rim.or.jp/~tatsushi/
>
>- Download both the J-OS 1.9 package and Erisa font.
>
>- Install the appropriate size dictionary file depending on the amount
>of free memory you have (dic-s.prc or dic-m.prc).  Install the
>appropriate program file depending on the version of your Palm OS
>(j-os10.prc for 1.0 users, j-os20.prc for 2.0 or 3.0 users).
>
>- Install the Erisa font.
>
>- Install whatever localizers you want (these files turn the menus and
>such in the various built in in apps into Japanese).  You don't need to
>use them if you don't want all your apps to become Japanese.
>
>- Soft reset, and turn JOS on in hackmaster.  You should now be able to
>input Japanese (by tapping on the "abc" dot in the bottom left corner of
>the graffiti area) in any of the built in apps, as well as view Japanese
>in other apps that support them (J-Doc, Palmscape, etc.).
>
>- You can also add a single custom dictionary words using a special
>entry in the memopad.

Thanks for the reply, Nishino-san. It has been helpful. I have J-OS on
my Palm IIIx now, and I can input characters OK.

Now, I'm wondering about the dictionaries. I installed the included
dic-m (I think it was), but I don't see it anywhere. I want to be able
to enter an English or a Japanese word and get a translation. Now I
see nothing relating to definitions or Furigana -- just an IME for
entering Japanese into and reading the Palm OS.

(more below)

>The commercial ware (JOS IIIx) route:
>
>- J-OS IIIx is a substantially improved version of J-OS now sold as
>commercial ware.   In Japan, you can purchase it at Ikeshop
>(http://www.ikeshop.co.jp/) and in the US, you can purchase it from Ark
>USA (http://www.arkusa.com/palm/).  It goes for about $50 US.

I found the products on these pages. There is very little English info
about the program. Did you translate all the info below?
(more)

>
>- Differences of JOS IIIx over the freeware version according to the
>author include:
>
>1. You can now use the on-screen keyboard for inputting English (JOS1.9
>basically replaces the keyboard with a Japanese input panel).  It is
>also now compatible with PiloKey (and the Landware keyboards).
>2. The kanji conversion algorithm is smarter.
>3. Delete, select, cursor movements now happen properly.  (It
>differentiates between double byte and single byte text properly for on
>screen handling.)
>4. Sort and find features work properly.
>5. The input panel is improved, and has been made more friendly for left
>handed people.
>6. There is now a large Japanese font included.  And it can handle up to
>four Japanese fonts.
>7. You can now do inline (as opposed to in a window) input.
>8. There is now a diagnostic feature that tells you if everything is
>properly installed.
>9. Now properly handles English wordwrapping when installed.
>10. No longer a HackMaster extention, and all files can be burnt into
>Flash memory.
>11. You can use up to 15 custom dictionaries.

Are these included, or does it mention which one's are available? Will
some of these work with J-OS 1.9? Do any of them show some kind of
furigana when translating an English word into Japanese?

And, sorry for so many questions, can I write a kanji instead of using
the romaji IME? If I see a new Kanji somewhere (there everywhere
around me, actually), I'd like to be able to write it down (guessing
at the proper stroke order), and get a definition. Can I do this with
the apps included with J-OS III?

Again, thanks so much for your time, Nishino-san.

Greg Conquest
Zushi, Japan

>12. You can still use localizers for various apps, but now it is easier
>to enable/disable them (1.9 requires that you install/deinstall them).
>13. Various minor bug fixes.
>
>
>So which should people use?  Well, if you only use Japanese very
>infrequently (and mostly read Japanese, as opposed to inputting it),
>then J-OS 1.9 should meet your needs.  It is less convenient than the
>commercial ware version, and a bit klunky, but it is an amazing piece of
>software, and it gets the job done.
>
>On the other hand, if you routinely use Japanese, then using the
>commercial ware version is well worth the investment.  The improvements
>are, as you can tell, quite numerous, and the usability is considerably
>improved.  It behaves as if the Palm was designed to do this from the
>beginning.  It is a very good piece of software.
>
>I would suggest downloading the freeware version, and if you can live
>with its limitations, then just use that.  You can always move up to the
>commercial ware version.  And it does give you Japanese capabilities
>immediately.
>
>Also, it should be noted that J-OS III was upgraded recently to include
>support for the IIIx and V.  I am not entirely positive that the
>freeware version is fully compatible with the most recent Palm machines,
>although it does support the 3.0 OS.
>
>Finally, if you want to input Japanese into your Palm using the desktop:
>There is a quick and easy patch that you can apply to the Mac version of
>the desktop app that allows Japanese input via JLK.  As for Windows, I'm
>not positive about this, but there should be a similar patch as well
>(and you might even be able to get the fully localzied Japanese version
>of the software from IBM Japan).
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>Tomoharu Nishino
>tomoharu_nishino@post.harvard.edu
>
>Stuart Lester <slester@nospam.gol.com> wrote:
>
>> I face the same problem. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> 
>> I tried CJKOS. It currently takes 194k of memory in my Palm V with the
>> fonts. There doesn't seem to be an input method for Japanese however.
>> 
>> It displays Japanese just great. Better than the Japanese addon for US
>> Outlook in fact.I use WinNT.
>> 
>> Onegaishimasu
>> 
>> stu