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In <ericb.451.301CEDDF@psu.edu> ericb@psu.edu (Eric Bennett) writes:

>In article <danpop.807196205@rscernix> Dan.Pop@mail.cern.ch (Dan Pop) writes:
>
>>In <hotelca-3107950002570001@192.0.2.1> hotelca@cris.com (Hotel California) writes:
>
>>>In article <danpop.807144468@rscernix>, Dan.Pop@mail.cern.ch (Dan Pop) wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Someone who can't be bothered to read a manual won't become self-sufficient
>>>> on any system, including a Mac (have you noticed that all Mac software
>>>> comes with manuals?).
>>>
>>>Yes, Mac software comes with manuals, but, unlike unix or even DOS, you
>>>don't have to read the manual to work the program.  I can't tell you the
>>>last time I even read a manual.
>
>>If you actually want to use the features you paid for, you have to read
>>the manual.  I've seen many people using about 10% of the features of some
>>complex packages, because the usage of the rest couldn't be figured out
>>without reading the manual (or, at least, not in a decent amount of time).
>
>But you don't have to read the manual to get started.  I only consult the 

Try this with someone who has never used a computer before and see how
it works, unless the person is young enough.

>manual when I'm curious if the application has a certain capability that isn't 
>obvious to me already.

Complex applications have plenty of capabilities which aren't obvious.
Otherwise, their manuals would consist of only a few pages.
>
>>As far as GUI programs for the Mac being easier to use than their DOS or
>>Unix counterparts, this is plain bullshit, unless you show me how is
>>Netscape for the Mac easier to use than Netscape for Unix.
>
>Do you think it would be just as simple from someone to switch from emacs to 
>vi or elm to pine on a Unix machine as it would be for a Mac user to switch 
>from MacWrite Pro to WordPerfect or Word?  I'd bet the Unix user would have to 
>read more documentation to get started...

I did all this switching on the Unix side.  Sorry to disappoint you,
but I never read any documentation for elm and pine.  They're menu driven,
you know?  My Unix tutorial book has a chapter about vi which contains
everything I needed to know about it and emacs is menu driven.  An 
application doesn't need a GUI in order to be easy to use.  This explains
why the ASCII terminals haven't been killed yet by the PC's, Mac's,
workstations and X terminals.  BTW, their worst "enemy" here is the
X terminal.

>You can remotely control Macs with Timbuktu.  Yes, it's a third party product, 
>but it's there if you need it, which most of us don't.

Exactly the point.  When you need it, it's not there.  A piece of 
software (whether free or 3rd party) which is not installed when you need
it is useless).

Dan
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