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Jason Stokes <J.STOKES@student.anu.edu.au> wrote:

>This thread started out debating the benefits of LINUX.  None of the fancy GUI's 
>such as NeXTstep are available for this particular strain of UNIX.  Therefore the 
>ease of use touted by the makers of such shells is irrelevant when talking about 
>LINUX.

Admittedly Linux doesn't have a super fancy GUI (although I haven't seen Caldera
yet) I wonder what percentage of the "Drag n' Drop" functionality you boast about
is contained in a decent filemanager like "xfm" or "GREAT" coupled with AUIS. Admittedly
not all, but you can drag n' drop, double click to install packages, etc, with those 
filemanagers. How many tens of seconds must we save per day anyway?

>Note that "ease of use" doesn't just include run-time use and troubleshooting, 
>but also installation, maintenance, software updates, ease of networking 
>facilities etc.  For OS/2, most installs are one button jobs (well, mine was. 
>Almost.)  Now will anyone claim that installing/maintaining UNIX has the same 
>ease?  I don't even want to _think_ about the LINUX install procedure!
 
???? Crazy. Spend $30 on a Linux CD if you are afraid to do it "by hand" (which
is quite smooth). Or read for 5mins. I put one line in one file and I now NFS mount 
directories on the Linux PC upstairs to the one downstairs. Am I really supposed to 
get a woody because I could do it in three button clicks????

>I doubt the "average punter" wants nor can afford to call in a qualified sysadmin 
>every time he needs to handle some bizarre maintenance problem.  Errors I can 
>handle, crashes I can take, but install and networking problems, I hate.

It's the crashes that drove me away from Windows and Mac. It took me 20mins of 
reading (sorry not pointing and clicking) and I am now a Unix network expert.
Sheesh! Now everyone asks me to help setup their Unix (Linux and non-Linux)
boxes to the Internet! And I hook up their Windoze boxes too! America: throw 
away your double-click seat cushions and crutches and READ more than one screenful!

>Maybe the various strains of UNIX have improved over the years, but I doubt LINUX 
>has.

Whoa, this is incredible. At least I've tried to work with Windows, Mac, and OS/2 in
the last year or so! Linux has leveraged against the existing Unixes and in many 
regards are way ahead of them (check out the fuzz report for example). The GNU tools
bundled with Linux are superior to what comes with any commericial Unix.

Cheers,

Karl

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is ONLY 1995!!!  Thanks, Bill, for all the OT!
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