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In article <43js8l$61@feenix.metronet.com>, dcorn@metronet.com (David
Corn) wrote:

> Have you run Win95?

I've seen the recommended memory requirements.

> >A straw man that is off subject.  I've never claimed you needed VM to 
> >run with 12 Megs.  I get along fine without out it.

> With a PowerMac?  I'm talking about a PowerMac, and I'm more than
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My point has been, and is, that Mac have an longer useful life because
they aren't forced into obsolesence by lack of support.  I'm not 
really interested in debating VM schemes.  

> Your comment suggests you aren't too familiar with PMs.

I don't have one.  But I know Macs well enough to know that
this is the same stuff I heard when I had 8 Megs on my 040
and I was doing fine while people were pontificating that it
wasn't enough.

> >040 I don't believe you can't get by with 12 on a powermac.  Besides
> 
> I'm not suggesting you can't "get by".  However, running any sort of
> major app on it is an exercise in itself.

OK, I looked at an office mates PM.  She has 32 Megs so she has done
paid no attention to using her memory efficiently, so reality is even
better than given in this analysis.  Her system takes 6 Megs (which
I know can be dropped by a couple of megs at least), running
Word (bloated as it is) takes 3 Megs, which would leave another
3 Megs for Excel.  Hardly a "crippled" machine.  And if you want
more memory, you add it.

> Perhaps I should put it
> this way - 4M on a 680x0 Mac is like 8M on a PM - slow, requiring RD,
> and inefficient.  At work our basic boot setup on a 680x0 Mac takes
> roughly 4M.  That's before I run any applications - just to boot the
> machine.  Without RamDoubler, we've literally only 4M to play with.
> That isn't enough for most users.

I agree that 4 Megs isn't enough for a lot of people.  On the other
hand, I don't see why someone who may not need more should be forced
to buy more memory than they need.

> What do you consider obsolete?  Slow?  A Plus is definately slow - too
> slow for most modern uses.

I would say a Plus has finally become obsolete.  This is tempered, however,
by the fact that a plus can still be useful as a platform for word 
processing, mail reading, etc.(and anything before a Plus is clearly
obsolete).  

> >I can get a PowerPC upgrad for the same price.
> 
> $600-700?  OK, tell me how to add that to my Plus, please.  Or my
> IIci.

I don't know where they stick the ci upgrade but they do, sarcasm aside,
exist.  But, more to the point, people are still using Pluses when
many of their contemorary PC's have either had to go through one or
two upgrades (that cost a fair fraction of what a new machine costs)
or have (more likely) just been abandoned alltogether (can you even
upgrade an XT to a Pentium????)

> >Doing what?  If you are doing spreadsheets, wordprocessing, figure
> >presentation, etc. It works just fine. Maybe someone doing video
 
> You don't use Excel 5.0 professionally, do you?  A IIci is unbearably
> slow for all but the simplest of tasks.  Progress moves onward, and
> the IIci is left in the dust.

No, I refuse to go on to that bloated and slow piece of junk.  The
problem running Excel 5.0 is in the software.  (Basically, MS figures
that if they can force PC users to upgrade their machines to cover
ineficient programming, they can do the same for Mac, that is if
they aren't puposely handicapping the Mac version to try and make
Windows look better).

> If you're happy with ClarisWorks 1.0 or so for fast text editing, more
> power to you.  However, the latest software from MS requires a modern
> Mac to run it,

Fortunately this isn't true of competing products like Wingz.

> whereas the latest software from MS on an Intel box
> seems to require a smaller outlay of hardware. Amazing how MS
> 'planned' that, eh?  :)
> 
> (I'm not into conspiracy theories.)

I don't know if they planned it or just didn't care that their
software was bloated and slow.  I wouldn't be suprised either way
(after all MS has pulled tricks like that in the past).
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