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In article <dke-2303960737200001@adnline15.adnc.com>,
David K. Every <dke@adnc.com> wrote:
>In article <4iumn9$jn5@taco.cc.ncsu.edu>, rkswamy@eos.ncsu.edu (Ravi
>Krishna Swamy) wrote:
>
>> I do think it's sad that they shoved these research OS's into the
>> rest of the world without taking the rough edges off, but I'd much
>> rather have some rough edges than something "easy to use" (I've
>> never really found them easy to use, but hey...) which crashes
>> more than once a month.
>
>Why? The question is ULTIMATE productivity.

Exactly and different people do things different ways.

>Yes a lose a few minutes a week because of crashing

In the case of running win3.1 I lost a few minutes every hour.  I'm sure
I wasted at least 30 min. of an 8 hour work day waiting for the machine
to reboot.  Don't bother asking about it.  I've explained the situation
umpteen times already.

> - but I gain 100 TIMES
>that amount by increased productivity due to a better UI, easier
>configurability, and an easier to use system, and having all the "rough
>edges" off.

All of these are relative and depend on personal opinion.  

> Not to mention the Apps that also use the better UI, so I have
>CONSISTANCY and a metaphore - something that Unix flavors DO NOT have.

Personally I like having different looking apps.  It keeps the screen
from looking too boring, but what I do want is better interaction
between the apps.  Clipboards that can hold any type of object besides
plain text can be very convenient.  That's the only thing I don't
like about Unix/X but it is more because app developers don't bother
rather than it isn't possible.  Now that CDE is finally here you
*should* see a consistent desktop and better interaction between
apps.

>So ultimately I save more time/money by using Mac, even with an occasional
>reboot.
>
>Now for a server I can DEFINITELY see your point. Or for lab analysis,
>data acquisition, etc. I agree that Unix is cool. Just not for mainstream
>usage. 

I wouldn't want to put my mom on a UNIX box unless it was NeXTSTEP
or maybe something with CDE.  Still, I usually despise mainstream
everything to start with...  and I go with what I like and find
useful not what everybody else thinks is popular.

>> All I have to do is go back to my old office and listen to a Mac
>> rebooting and I'm happy that I'm using Solaris and Linux.
>
>When I've crashed Solaris (and waited 10 minutes to go through the boot
>process) -  or had problems with Sun's because the scripts are all hard
>coded to use a CD-ROM and device 3 on the SCSI chain, and we've got ours
>on a different address (because we have multiple resident) - or I've had
>to reconfigure one of the buggers - I thank GOD I use a Mac most of the
>time.

Sure.  I'm not claiming UNIX is extremely simple to use.  You value ease
of use and if you only get a little bit more stability from UNIX then
it isn't worth it to you.  I value the opposite.

Ravi
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