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Article #3516Re: Debate: PowerMac "trounces" Pentium....???
From: HSUEH WALTER C
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:51
Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:51
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On 29 Mar 1996, Ted Oliver wrote: > But seriously. Flaws in you analysis include, but are hardly limited to: > > 1) using a single measurement Well, the tests were just for floating point performace. But I agree, there should be other tests to adequately measure all areas of system performace. However, the fp results do speak for themselves. > 2) not indicating other system information (RAM, HD, whether the Power100 > had L2 cache, etc.) Yes, the presence of a cache should have an effect. How much, I don't know. > 3) comparing linux with a GUI OS, which inherently incorporates more > computing overhead. A better comparison would be under Windows. Even > better, comparing both systems on linux later this spring/early summer > when it is available for Nubus Mac's. The fp tests should in no way test the GUI aspects of MacOS. The fp test program was just that: nothing GUI about it. It's a pure test of the CPU performance for floating point computation, and the GUI overhead should be minimal, if nonexistent. Unfortunately, there has already been a test between the PowerPC 604 for the MacOS and WinNT. Macworld, in a previous issue, did a comparison between WinNT 3.51 on a Motorola PowerStack 604 @100MHz vs. PowerMac 9500/132. The PowerStack posted better low level system benchmarks than the PowerMac. Macworld then went on to try to explain the discrepancy. I remember that I/O on the PMac 9500 dragged down performance. > 4) more recent versions of MacOS (e.g., 7.5.1) have a much improved > mathlib over System 7.5. Maybe the original poster has 7.5.1, but it isn't > indicated as in the above text. The tester indicated that the Mac side of the fp test program was compiled in CodeWarrior 8. CodeWarrior 8 supposedly has a vastly improved (speedwise) math library, so I'm not sure this would explain the difference in speed. The original tester may also want to run the tests using Motorola's compiler, which is also highly optimized. > 5) MacOS is not fully native, linux is native on x86. The MacOS is not the > best OS to show how fast a PPC CPU is. Try comparing your linux results > with Win3.1 results on the same machine. Again, the fp tests should not depend on the parts of the MacOS which are still emulated. The math library is PowerPC native, and I feel that the tests fairly measured what the tester wanted to benchmark. Regards, Walter Hsueh hsuehw@ecf.utorontot.ca
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Newsgroups: comp.sys.powerpc,comp.os.linux.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.amiga.advocacy,comp.sys.intel Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!skule.ecf!hsuehw From: HSUEH WALTER C <hsuehw@ecf.toronto.edu> Subject: Re: Debate: PowerMac "trounces" Pentium....??? In-Reply-To: <aqtjo-2903960750290001@129.219.116.52> X-Sender: hsuehw@skule.ecf X-Nntp-Posting-Host: skule.ecf Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Message-ID: <Pine.SGI.3.91.960329153150.27340A-100000@skule.ecf> Sender: news@ecf.toronto.edu (News Administrator) Organization: University of Toronto, Engineering Computing Facility Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 1996 20:51:43 GMT