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Re: floppy eject buttons [was: What's a Real Computer?]

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From: Hotel California
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 1995 03:40
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In article <danpop.807489537@rscernix>, Dan.Pop@mail.cern.ch (Dan Pop) wrote:

> Bullshit.  The large companies using Mac's do have sysadmins, exactly like
> the large companies using Unix.  The life of the Mac sysadmin is made
> considerably harder by the fact that Joe Mac User can screw his machine.
> Joe Unix User can't.

Large companies yes.  Many Mac networks, no.  And if Joe Mac User isn't
prevented from screwing up the machine then the Mac sysadmin must pretty
much 
be braindead.  You can get many things to protect the Macs, from making
the hard drive read only (quite easy), to buying At Ease for Workgroups.

> The home Unix user doesn't hire any kind of sysadmin, exactly like the
> home Mac user.

But the home Unix user has to have had Unix lessons.  Or have their friend
sysadmin.

> >> Once you have started the application, ease of use is the burden of the
> >> software, not the OS it is running on. It could be true that some UNIX
> >> apps may not be "obvious", but Netscape on a Mac or Windows or UNIX/X11
> >> is the same, as is WordPerfect, Matlab, etc.
> >
> >The OS bears alot of ease of use burden.  The Mac OS is designed so that
> >all apps running on it are very similar.  Ever hear of the Godsend the
> >Toolbox?  It's a big part of what makes Mac so easy to use and similar
> >across various apps, that and the Apple Human Interface Guidelines.
> 
> Bullshit again.  The OS has nothing to do with the similarity of the
> applications.  Many vendors of Mac apps have already proven this.

Microsoft is the big offender here.  However, the Mac looks the same
across apps because of the toolbox and the resources it uses.  It takes
care of all the interface work.  Microsoft chooses not to use the toolbox
or resources whenever possible.

> Unix has the X toolkit library and Motif to ensure similarity between
> GUI based applications.  And the Xt and Motif scollbars are _correctly_
> designed, unlike the brain dead Mac scrollbars.

I find absolutely nothing wrong with Mac scroll bars.  They are much
better than X scroll bars.  What about non GUI apps (the majority)?  They
are the worst offenders.

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Hotel California
hotelca@cris.com
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Subject: Re: floppy eject buttons [was: What's a Real Computer?]
Date: 4 Aug 1995 03:40:46 GMT
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