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nhaven1@minerva.cis.yale.edu (North Haven High School) wrote:

>David Breneman (david.breneman@mccaw.com) wrote:
>: In article <3v7sem$8t0@mudraker.mtholyoke.edu> jbmiller@mtholyoke.edu (Mac)  
>: writes:
>: > Overlapping windows preceeded the mac in a RESEARCH LAB.  One I might add 
>: > not everyone had access to.  Xerox invited Jobs and co. there, because 
>: > they figured Apple could make cheap versions of their Xerox Smalltalk 
>: > boxes, something they hadn't figured out how to do.  This was after the 
>: > agreement between Xerox and Apple, to allow Apple access to the research 
>: > being done at Xerox PARC.  
>: > 
>: > Yes, they preceeded the Mac, but not in ANY released system.
>: >                                         ^^^

>: How about layers(1) and the Teletype 5620 DMD terminal?  That was
>: released in 1984.  Personally, I don't know how long Macs have been
>: around, so if there were on the market in 1983, I'm wrong.  BTW, the
>: DMD software was called "The AT&T Windowing Utilities", which definitely
>: predates Microsoft's use of the word.  I cite as my source authority *me*.
>: I'm the keeper of the tty5620 FAQ. :-)

>I don't know much about these systems (and I'd love to see the FAQ), but 
>I must chime in that the Lisa (later dubbed Mac XL) *was* out in 1983.  
>It had a Mac-like, though not quite as refined, interface.  

>The Mac 128 came out in 1984...anyone know the month?  (April sounds 
>about right to me)
January 24, 1984, I believe.  On that date, Apple showed why 1984
wasn't going to be like "1984"

:)

>Dave