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Started by pevans
Wed, 13 Sep 1995 00:00
Intel in trouble?
Author: pevans
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 00:00
Date: Wed, 13 Sep 1995 00:00
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Is Intel in trouble? This might sound rehashed to a lot of people, but I haven't seen any debate about it for a while, so I thought I'd take a swing. This is about the affect that the IBM/Motorola/Apple developed PowerPC processor line might have on Intel's future. Apologies if this sounds dreadfully naive. At present, Intel's flagship is the P5 (Pentium), with the P6 due out next year, and the P7 sometime after. Intel have stated that the P7 will be the end of the line for the 80X86 line of processors - that, realistically, no more computing power can be extracted from that particular architecture pathway. However, they have jumped into bed with HP to develop a new line of processors, not due out till the end of the decade. There was some marketing hype at the time about how these processors would transcend RISC technology, but surely HP's PA- RISC processor capability won't be ignored completely. HP are reportedly a little annoyed at Intel's approach to working with them - what Intel says goes. I have no idea about compatibility between the new HP-Intel processors and the old P series chips. So far, IBM and Apple are the principle users of PowerPC chips, with Motorola and a few Apple clone makers also jumping on. IBM is offering AIX, Solaris, OS/2, Windows NT, and almost certainly MacOS 8.0 (to run on the new CHRP machines). Microsoft have made some petulant comments to the effect that Windows 95 and it's lineal successors will never be ported to PowerPC platforms (to keep Intel happy?), but seeing as recompiling apps from W95 to WNT is not to difficult, and the ability to do so is part of meeting full Windows compliance, I see no reason why developers wouldn't offer their software on both OSs. Apple are also promising CHRP compliance, so as of next year, assuming their promises are good, Apple machines will also run the above mentioned bevy of operating systems. Believe it when I see it. Anyway, the point is that suppose a major PC manufacturer, say Compaq or Toshiba or Dell, or whatever, decided that they'd better get into the PowerPC game. The PowerPC market could grow enormously and do serious damage to Intel. Existing PowerPC processors are provably more powerful than the P5 (the 620 is a daemon) and kill the P5 stone dead in the low power market (603e, I think). Another factor is the 615 chip, due out RSN, which can execute P4 instructions in native mode, as well as PowerPC instructions. That chip has a big future. Major PC OEMs must be looking long and hard at the PC marketplace. Importantly, Microsoft need not suffer at all as Intel declines - there's no reason that their marketing emphasis couldn't shift from Windows/Intel to Windows/PowerPC, although if CHRP machines and the OpenDoc consortium deliver their promise of more open and flexible systems, Microsoft's mania for monopolising software markets may become harder to maintain. Intel needs Microsoft very much more than Microsoft needs Intel. I'm not predicting anything drastic will happen soon, or that change will be swift when (if) it does happen. This is just my own summary of the way I see the processor market going, and I'm sure that Intel must be worried. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Peter Evans pevans@rp.csiro.au Radio Systems Group Phone: +61 2 3724438 CSIRO Division of Radiophysics Fax: +61 2 3724490 ---------------------------------------------------------------------
Re: Intel in trouble?
Author: Robert Cassidy
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 00:00
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 1995 00:00
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In article <manders1-2809952304110001@mac35.willets4.swarthmore.edu>, manders1@swarthmore.edu (Michael Anderson) wrote: > > "Kind of"? Let's not mince words. Open Transport is really one of the > > first steps in showing what a new architecture built from the ground up > > on PowerPC can do (when it works). The speed is really nice (and even > > then, it still rests on some system code that will be rewritten for > > Copland) -- and it will only get better. > > Ummm....as a PowerMac user I am well aware that PPC technology is already > far ahead of Intel's offerings, and that the gap is only getting wider. I > am also aware that Copland will indeed result in a much faster, more > stable, more memory efficient system. So it is unquestionable that the > technological future for Macs looks very bright compared the the > technological future of PC's and Win95 (although that is not to say that > their market share future does not look very bright, quite the contrary). > However, owning a PowerMac 7200, I am not sure that I would use Open > Transport as a *premier* example. It may well have faster throughput, but > for some reason it takes a really long time to make connections, find > servers, etc. And since all the stuff I do is looking up servers and > making connections through Eudora, Netscape, and Newswatcher, rather than > large file transfer, it has resulted in significantly slower performance. > In fact, I am thinking of switching to MacTCP. Just my 2 cents. > PowerMacs are certainly superior to PC's, but I'm not sure that Open > Transport itself is that great. Sounds like a problem. OT should be faster across the board. It certainly is on my system - Netscape accessing a web page locally but a different subnet does it almost instantly and it's not even making OT calls. Only Newswatcher 2.0 and Anarchie 1.6 use OT AFAIK. Eudora has some serious problems with OT but Netscape does alright. With Anarchie and OT, I commonly get 200K/sec or better downloads from amug and local servers - MacTCP had a hard time hitting 100K. Establishing connections is extremely fast. Are you using PPP or SLIP in there? They're still pretty flaky. OT is that great. It will become evident when they shake out some of the bugs (it still has way too many) and when it is really put to use. The concept of networking without the software having to know what connection is in place should make the Mac a pleasure to use. -- Bob Cassidy UC Irvine
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