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Article #366Re: What are people paying for when they by a supercomputer?
From: Patrick F. McGehearty
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:23
Date: Mon, 16 Nov 1992 19:23
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In article <1992Nov15.201147.5302@athena.mit.edu> solman@athena.mit.edu (Jason W Solinsky) writes: >It seems to me that supercomputing power costs about $250,000 per GFLOP >nowadays. It also seems to me that a company could sell a GFLOP box that >has enough memory, I/O and internal bandwidth to support near peak >performance at under $10,000 and have PLENTY of profit margin. Ignoring for now the question of what counts as a GFLOP and whether a GFLOP is really available in a realistic configuration for $250,000, and assuming only peak rates matter, I still don't know of any design for a uniprocessor or small number of processors in a shared memory configuration which as a parts cost of $10,000 and can generate 1 GFLOP. 50 Megaflops maybe, 1 Gigaflop no, not even close. The current high performance processors (whether from HP, DEC, IBM, or SUN) do not come cheap, and I am awre of none of them being rated at over 200 Mflops for a single processor. High performance memory systems require expensive memory and glue logic. My gut feel (without calling any vendors for parts prices :-) is that the parts for a GFLOP system would be at least in the $50,000 price range. And that estimate does not include any disks, tapes, etc. Of course, prices are constantly changing. If you think such a design is possible, please post a rough parts list and nominal parts costs. Going from parts cost to full product takes on the order of a factor of 5 for low to moderate volume products. Cost of assembly, including margin testing, rework, shipping, inventory is not trivial when volumes do not justify superautomation. Then you need to cover other things, including paying for R&D, sales and distribution, general overhead, and maybe even a little profit. Generally, if you skimp in one of these areas, your company is nonfunctional. Customers tend to not return to nonfunctional companies. High volumes can help reduce markup, but supercomputers just aren't sold in high volumes. So if we start with a hypothetical $50,000 parts cost, we see a shipping price in the range of $250,000. Large companies can selectively target markets for lower margins to gain market share, in the hope that volumes will rise enough to justify the thinner margins. A startup company trying that strategy runs a big risk of going out of business due to lack of cash before the strategy pays off. It is also worth noting that any system that is shipping today started its design 2 to 5 years ago. A design started today should produce a product which cost significantly less with a higher performance. Unfortunately it would not be available for a while, by which time others would do the same thing.
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