🚀 go-pugleaf

Dan Connolly <connolly@convex.com> writes:
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|   In doing so, Darrell seems to have touched a nerve, and Erik has
|   buried the original argument in a "don't make anti-SGML comments"
|   tantrum.

Please.  If he can sit down and listen to what he doesn't know, instead
of jumping up and down claiming that what he doesn't understand is
wrong, maybe we can start having a discussion, instead of having to
point out that Darrell doesn't know SGML as well as he thinks he does,
and that, consequently, we need to establish what's valid arguments, and
what's noise.  I've concentrated on the noise because he doesn't seem to
stop generating it.

I already conceded that Darrell has some interesting points and
problems, but his constant whining about semantics is not among them.

My objective is to have Darrell shut up long enough to get a word in
edge-wise without having to combat his jumping to conclusions about how
bad SGML is for so and so.  I'd like to know what Darrell has found that
is so troublesome, instead of all his conclusions, which are based
partly on misunderstandings of central concepts in SGML.  If we can get
to the point where Darrell can abstain from bad-mouthing SGML (which
isn't productive any way you look at it), and tell us about his
experiences and ideas, I'll listen.

I won't even consider listening to people who don't know what they talk
about, and demonstrate it.  Darrell knows a lot about some things which
I don't know much about, but he also pretends to know a lot about some
things which I _do_ know a lot about, and I also know _he_ doesn't.
We've got to revert the discussion to where each part can demonstrate
his points, instead of using terms 99% of the readership of the group
don't know and then refuse to define them, and making up phony problems
which requires the respondents to buy his argument, hook, line and
sinker.

Best regards,
</Erik>
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