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Re: It's Not Just for Text Anymore

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From: Carsten Bormann
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 1992 13:48
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Erik, please scratch that summary.

Given that your article was a rebuttal to my attempt to debunk Brian
Travis' thesis (quoting below), taking it apart in all possible ways,
I simply read it as support for that thesis.  Rereading it, I notice
that your objective may have been that of simply defending SGML
against my criticism.

>     So, the next time someone asks you what SGML is, instead 
>     of saying "it is a language used to markup text", say 
>     "SGML is a powerful tool that can be used to describe, 
>     model, and interchange data." </>

My apologies if you agree with the consensus that is building in this
group, i.e. that SGML is useful, but not particularly powerful for
this purpose.

I'm still not at ease with calling my initial article "sour grape
whining" or with accusations such as that I tried to stop HyTime in
its tracks or that I have a hidden agenda (except, maybe, that of
helping advance the state of the art).

By the way, while I sincerely like your sizeable contribution to this
newsgroup, I think that communication within a newsgroup also must
allow for informal, opinionated, quick-shot articles (I even labelled
mine as such); otherwise you miss out on the most fertile aspects of
this form of interpersonal communication.  If I need to write a
refereed journal article, I can do it elsewhere (and then and only
then, I'm going to substantiate every single item).  The quality of a
newsgroup article is not its stability against point-to-point
rebuttals, but the contribution it makes to the theme at hand.

So, please let's try to end the "battle between Erik and Carsten", as
another poster put it, and rather try to further our understanding of
the role of SGML within the future world of information architectures.

Gruesse, Carsten
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From: cabo@cs.tu-berlin.de (Carsten Bormann)
Subject: Re: It's Not Just for Text Anymore
In-Reply-To: Erik Naggum's message of 22 Jul 1992 19:29:26 +0200
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