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Started by Lani Hajagos
Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:44
More FrameBuilder and SGML
Author: Lani Hajagos
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:44
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 01:44
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In article 1879@gmd.de, thomas@gmd.de asks "Are you claiming that there is a one-to-one mapping between FrameBuilder documents and SGML documents? Or only that some (or even most) SGML documents can be mapped into FrameBuilder, and vice versa? I don't believe that any SGML product on the market currently supports 100% of of ISO 8879, so I certainly won't make the claim for FrameBuilder. FrameBuilder represents the SGML entity structure of a document without using SGML syntax. There are several SGML constructs which have no direct correspondence in FrameBuilder: - I mentioned attributes in my previous message. These can be mapped into several different FrameBuilder structures, depending on their intended usage. There is no concept of current or content reference attributes, however. - FrameBuilder has no direct analog to the SGML entity structure. FrameBuilder's Book handles documents divided into multiple files, although each document in the Book must be a complete element, and books cannot be nested. - FrameBuilder does not support SGML's optional LINK and CONCUR features. SGML documents using syntax-specific SGML constructs such as markup minimization or CDATA and RCDATA marked sections can be imported into or exported out of FrameBuilder fairly easily. These constructs are irrelvant to the FrameBuilder model, however, and have no counterpart within FrameBuilder. FrameBuilder does have a construct analogous to INCLUDE, IGNORE, and TEMP marked sections. This construct, called Conditional Text, however, does not support spanning partial elements. Since FrameBuilder is an application for formatting structured documents as well as an editor for manipulating them, the question of whether FrameBuilder supports all possible SGML structures is less meaningful than whether it supports them in the intended way. Because the conceivable applications are unlimited, SGML was deliberately defined so that no one system could do so. For example, while FrameBuilder recognizes graphics in many file formats, thereby supporting several data content notations, it certainly does not recognize every possible graphics format. As another example, tables can be represented in many ways in SGML. Of course the possible element structures can be represented as element structures within FrameBuilder. What is wanted, though, is a representation within the rich table facility that FrameBuilder inherits from FrameMaker. Very little programming is required to move the SGML tables we have seen at Frame to and from the FrameBuilder table mechanism. In its initial release, FrameBuilder internally supports elements that correspond to entire tables and allows table cells to contain hierarchies of elements. There are no elements for table rows or columns, however, and there is no content model defining the order in which particular types of cells are expected to occur. I hope this answers your questions.
Re: More FrameBuilder and SGML
Author: drmacro
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:03
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 17:03
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If we take the InfoMaster Architecture as an application I might want to implement support for in FrameBuilder, then I have the following responses to this information. The InfoMaster Architecture is a document architecture (analogous to HyTime in approach and scope) for internal IBM use that defines a set of architectural forms and base semantics. The following comments are as one of the definers of the Architecture and should be taken as an IBM position in any way. This is purely my own opinion. In <9301260142.AA02622@lani.corp.frame.com.frame> Lani Hajagos writes: >- I mentioned attributes in my previous message. These can be mapped >into several different FrameBuilder structures, depending on their >intended usage. There is no concept of current or content reference >attributes, however. InfoMaster makes heavy use of content reference attributes (as does DCF BookMaster and other similar non-SGML declarative markup languages), both for cross-reference generation and, as an optional feature of InfoMaster, to enable HyTime content extraction links (conlocx), in order to re-use the content of an element by reference. Perhaps FrameBuilder will support these sorts of mechanisms some other way? Support for CURRENT does not concern me, but we have defined in InfoMaster a structure-based inheritance semantic for element properties (attribute values), that can be modeled using HyTime default value lists. Would FrameBuilder provide a way to implement this semantic? The InfoMaster Architecture is largely concerned with managing element properties and hyperlinks, either implicit or explicit, between elements, to which processing and style can be applied (e.g., When an element of GI "phrase" has the CLASS= value "menuitem", present it in small caps AND create an implicit hyperlink to the definition list item that has a content value that matches the content of the phrase element and is also has a CLASS= value of "menuitem" (which may be inherited from its parent)). Perhaps the better question would be "how much programming work would I have to do to implement these semantics under FrameBuilder." A little? A lot? >- FrameBuilder has no direct analog to the SGML entity structure. >FrameBuilder's Book handles documents divided into multiple files, >although each document in the Book must be a complete element, and >books cannot be nested. InfoMaster does not depend on, or expect, any particular text entity structure, but it does rely heavily on data entities and subdoc entities. FrameBuider would have to support preservation of notation information as well as enable InfoMaster's application-defined notation property inheritance semantic. It would have to support, or enable support of, subdoc entity references (at a minimum, from ENTITY attributes if not within PCDATA), which InfoMaster uses chiefly for cross-document hyperlinking. >- FrameBuilder does not support SGML's optional LINK and CONCUR features. My feelings on LINK are well known (see recent posts). Were I in a position to submit requirements to Frame (e.g., I was buying the product), I would submit the requirement that FrameBuilder support implicit and explicit LINK to enable indirect association between elements and whatever Frame uses to define presentation style and processing. I would also like Frame's definition of style and processing to be as interchangable as possible, but I wouldn't force the issue (for example, if Frame's composition engine provided all the composition function I needed for my enterprise's printed documents AND I could use that composition engine as a batch formatter across my enterprise, I might not have a need, within my enterprise, to interchange style information). >FrameBuilder does have a construct analogous to INCLUDE, IGNORE, and TEMP >marked sections. This construct, called Conditional Text, however, >does not support spanning partial elements. > While this imposes a constraint not imposed by 8879, I don't think it's an unreasonable constraint from an InfoMaster Architecture point of view, since the Architecture constrains all of its semantics to the markup hierarchy as well. It might, however, cause difficulty for someone trying to import a document that relies on "asynchronous" marked sections to do conditional processing. Eliot Kimber Internet: drmacro@ralvm13.vnet.ibm.com Dept E14/B500 IBMMAIL: USIB2DK9@IBMMAIL Network Programs Information Development Phone: 1-919-543-7091 IBM Corporation Research Triangle Park, NC 27709
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