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Article #1021Re: TeX's file handling
From: GEORGE WHITE BIOLOGICAL OCEANOGR...
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 15:07
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1992 15:07
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> > As a style designer using LaTeX, I have desired to do the very thing that Dan > pointed out: > > > ....a style file designer might conceivably want > > to create temporary files....or perhaps back-up a previously > > created file (by renaming) before writing a new version > > In fact, I may even wish to invoke shell scripts of a general nature. > Apart from the fact that TeX is now frozen, these capabilities > certainly are worth discussing. Knuth had suggested that \write16 might > send its output to a stream that the OS would interpret and execute. > There is even an existing TeX (VP/CMS) that has this capability > (tracing, I believe, back to Chris Thompson (?)). Of course, > exercising this capability makes the macro package or, resp. document > instance system-dependent. There is even the possibility of a > TeX-driving virus or trojan horse if this were done. > tex the program should be viewed as a component that can be used as a building block to create a document processing application. Every feature that is added increases the potential for introducing bugs (or incorporating a buggy routine from a vendor library) as well as creating side effects that may have unexpected consequences when tex is used in a new environment. There have been a number of articles describing the use of the Unix document processing tools, e.g., Aho and Sethi, "Maintaining Cross References in Manuscripts", Softw.-- Practice and Experience 18(1):1-13 (1988). The same approach works with tex. For those who object that this approach only works under Unix I will point out that 1) the growth of Unix-based OS is partly supported by the benefits of being able to construct applications by hooking together components, and 2) emerging open systems standards are fostering the spread of this approach to other environments. > An interesting parallel is the Mathematica application, which has a > shell escape on Unix systems, and a general message-passing interface > (MathLink) implemented under Unix via named pipes (I believe), and > under Win, NeXT, and Mac via IAC. > Mathematica is not comparable to tex, but it would be very nice to see more examples of tex-driven document processing systems with the sort of interface that Mathematica provides. There are a few. > I certainly encourage implementors to consider the ramifications of a > capability for TeX to communicate outside itself, the most robust and > functional way to implement such a capability, and some means of > making the system as implementation independent as possible. The future > of computing certainly includes much interapplication communication, and > the future TeX will certainly benfit from participating. > tex is already participating. The basic task of tex is to create a dvi file. Many packages that use the TeX language to implement additional features could be implemented outside of tex using tools designed for manipulating documents. The current practical reality is that such tools are not well known are readily available except under Unix, but our effort would be better spent promoting better design of the environments in which we use tex than in changing tex to compensate for a poor environment. +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | George N. White III | Internet: GWhite@BIOnet.BIO.DFO.ca | | Biological Oceanography Division | DFOnet: BIOnet::GWhite | | Bedford Institute of Oceanography | Telemail: (see Sprintmail) | | P.O. Box 1006 | phone: 902.426.8509 (lab) | | Dartmouth, Nova Scotia | (09:00-17:00) 426.3793 (emergencies)| | CANADA B2Y 4A2 | TZ=AST4ADT 426.9388 (FAX) | | Sprintmail:(C:usa,A:telemail,P:internet,ID:<gwhite(a)bionet.bio.dfo.ca>)| +-------------------------------------------------------------------------+
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