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Ami Fischman wrote:

> Does anyone here know of a package for emacs to allow editing tabular
> environments (for (La)TeX documents) visually?  I have a large chart and
> editing it in TeX-mode is extremely tiresome...

Agreed, after a certain complexity is exceeded, editing (La)TeX tables
in emacs, even with the help of the excellent aucTeX, becomes a
real pain.  I suggest considering a spreadsheet program (e.g.
gnumeric if you're working under *nix).  You can put the TeX
business ('&' for column separation and '\\' for row termination)
into narrow columns and choose to save the table as text with
space separation.  The resulting file can either be pasted into
the TeX source, or included at compile time with \input.

If there's a better solution for large tables that doesn't involve
working outside of emacs (where I do my regular Tex editing), I'd
be glad to hear of it.

Allin Cottrell.

In gnu.emacs.help Allin Cottrell <cottrell@ricardo.ecn.wfu.edu> wrote:
> Ami Fischman wrote:

>> Does anyone here know of a package for emacs to allow editing tabular
>> environments (for (La)TeX documents) visually?  I have a large chart and
>> editing it in TeX-mode is extremely tiresome...

As a followup to Allin Cottrell suggesting gnumeric, I took a look at
my really old version of gnumeric (0.48) and tried the simple
alternative of 

- save as Latex2e format - 

looks like to should work reasonably well if you just paste the
relavant bits into you tex file.

Regards
Peter

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Ami Fischman <usenet@fischman.org> writes:

> Hi,
> Does anyone here know of a package for emacs to allow editing tabular
> environments (for (La)TeX documents) visually?  I have a large chart and
> editing it in TeX-mode is extremely tiresome...

Hmm, I wonder how difficult this would be to add to table.el.
Someone[*] should really do that :)

[*] Of course, this Someone person seems to get a lot or requests.
Who knows, maybe I'll take it off his/her to-do list.  Maybe.

Ami Fischman <usenet@fischman.org> writes:

> Hi,
> Does anyone here know of a package for emacs to allow editing tabular
> environments (for (La)TeX documents) visually?  I have a large chart and
> editing it in TeX-mode is extremely tiresome...
> 
> Thanks,
> -- 
>   Ami Fischman
>   usenet@fischman.org

I use a self written package to align my tables nicely.
Perhaps you find it useful too?

The package can be found at:
http://xsteve.exit.de/prg/emacs/progr-align.el

I would like to hear some comments/suggestions.

--
Stefan Reich�r
reichoer@web.de

>>>>> "Ami" == Ami Fischman <usenet@fischman.org> writes:

  Ami> Hi, Does anyone here know of a package for emacs to allow
  Ami> editing tabular environments (for (La)TeX documents) visually?
  Ami> I have a large chart and editing it in TeX-mode is extremely
  Ami> tiresome...

  Ami> Thanks, -- Ami Fischman usenet@fischman.org

        
        This is not quite what you want, but table.el
from Takaaki Ota, is an emacs mode for editing ascii tables. It is
capable of producing latex output. 

        It works quite nicely and will produce arbitrarily 
complex table designs. It would be nice to do some cute mode which
sticks the table in the comments, and dumps the latex out, but at the
moment I tend to maintain the table and latex separately. 

        Phil

        

tfb@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU (Thomas F. Burdick) writes:

[...]

> Hmm, I wonder how difficult this would be to add to table.el.
> Someone[*] should really do that :)
>
> [*] Of course, this Someone person seems to get a lot or requests.
> Who knows, maybe I'll take it off his/her to-do list.  Maybe.

On this and another suggestion, I checked out table.el.  It's really quite
nice.  I would be very happy to see you take this off Someone's plate...;)

Thanks,
-- 
  Ami Fischman
  usenet@fischman.org

Phillip Lord <p.lord@russet.org.uk> writes:

> >>>>> "Ami" == Ami Fischman <usenet@fischman.org> writes:
> 
>   Ami> Hi, Does anyone here know of a package for emacs to allow
>   Ami> editing tabular environments (for (La)TeX documents) visually?
>   Ami> I have a large chart and editing it in TeX-mode is extremely
>   Ami> tiresome...
> 
>   Ami> Thanks, -- Ami Fischman usenet@fischman.org
> 
>         
>         This is not quite what you want, but table.el
> from Takaaki Ota, is an emacs mode for editing ascii tables. It is
> capable of producing latex output. 

Seriously?  The table.el at table.sourceforge.net?  The one that
doesn't mention this on its web page?  If I'd known that, I'd have
kept it installed on my system! :)

Allin Cottrell wrote:
> Ami Fischman wrote:
> 
> 
>>Does anyone here know of a package for emacs to allow editing tabular
>>environments (for (La)TeX documents) visually? 

Use the wonderful table.el from table.sourceforge.net

///Peter

>>>>> "Thomas" == Thomas F Burdick <tfb@conquest.OCF.Berkeley.EDU> writes:

  Thomas> Phillip Lord <p.lord@russet.org.uk> writes:

  >> >>>>> "Ami" == Ami Fischman <usenet@fischman.org> writes:
  >> 
  Ami> Hi, Does anyone here know of a package for emacs to allow
  Ami> editing tabular environments (for (La)TeX documents) visually?
  Ami> I have a large chart and editing it in TeX-mode is extremely
  Ami> tiresome...
  >>
  Ami> Thanks, -- Ami Fischman usenet@fischman.org
  >> 
  >> 
  >> This is not quite what you want, but table.el from Takaaki Ota,
  >> is an emacs mode for editing ascii tables. It is capable of
  >> producing latex output.

  Thomas> Seriously?  The table.el at table.sourceforge.net?  The one
  Thomas> that doesn't mention this on its web page?  If I'd known
  Thomas> that, I'd have kept it installed on my system! :)


        Yes seriously. It can produce several different languages
including latex, html, and so on.

        The last time I tried it, it was limited in the form of
latex it could produce. So for instance it did latex quoting 
whether you wanted it or not (so no macros inside the table cells),
and could only use tabular mode, and not any of the other self-sizing,
or longtable options.

        Probably wouldn't be too hard to extend though. 

        Phil