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Article #266Re: erasure of information and dissipation
From: Bob Montante
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1993 14:01
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 1993 14:01
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toms@fcs260c2.ncifcrf.gov (Tom Schneider) <C8Byt1.Axp@ncifcrf.gov> : | | > 1) erasure is not a source of energy dissipation | > (see landaure, IBM J. Res. Dev, vol 6, (1961), 183) | | Let's consider the coin again since it is SO simple we can't make mistakes | (ha!). Consider a coin sitting on a table. It can store 1 bit of [ hypothetical manipulation of a coin, see Tom's article ] | So what are these folks saying? Erasure - what's that? It means to PRIME a | device and then to DISSIPATE away the energy. Note that erasure is identical | to the operation of storing information. They have been fooling with your | brain telling you that erasure was something special! | | FURTHERMORE, from the example above, it is clear that the storage portion of | the erasure requires dissipation. I think this touches on a semantic ambiguity: What is erasure? When I read Tom's posting, I initially disagreed with the description of "Erasure - what's that?" To me, erasure is the described priming operation. The "operation of storing information" that subsequently dissipates energy isn't part of the erasure as such, it's a practical step based on the fact that rotating coins and dynamic RAM cells can neither one remain in the ambiguous state for very long (only about as long as Schroedinger's cat can hold its breath :-). But consider a sheet of paper, on which I write a zero or a one (or an A, T, G, C, or whatever) to record some item of interest. If I erase this item, I "prime" the space on the paper by removing the previous mark. But I *don't* write a zero or any other placeholder value; I just leave the paper blank until I want to store some new information. This cat can hold its breath as long as it wants to. But this is the ambiguity. On a sheet of paper I really do erase the old information. In a computer memory (or disk, etc.) I don't literally erase information. Instead, I *overwrite* it with some constant. What Tom describes above is not the dictionary definition of erasure --- but it is the mechanism used by many or most storage systems to remove previous information. So maybe I accept Tom's points, or maybe not. It depends on the storage system, and what I intend to do to erase it. I won't attempt a thermodynamic view of this except to comment that erasing a mark from a sheet of paper can dissipate even more energy than writing it did, depending on the pencil and how badly the eraser's been chewed. -bob,mon. (disclaimer: My tangents are my own.)
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