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Article #1675Re: Real Numbers vs. Rational Numbers?
From: Jack Campin
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:25
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1992 18:25
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taylor@foraker.NoSubdomain.NoDomain (Eric Taylor) wrote: > boerncke@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Frank-Roland Boernke) writes: >> Our professor told us, that RAMs are allowed to store REAL numbers too AND >> they are still as powerful as an ordinary turing machine. I claimed, this >> can`t be true, since there isn`t any possibility to work with irrational >> numbers in TMs. > REAL numbers are always RATIONAL numbers and vice-versa. The terminology > "REAL number", I believe, is not a formal one, but one borrowed from > something like FORTRAN where they are simply meant to represent floating > point numbers. Any rational number can be represented by the division of > 2 integers and are therefore easily handled by a RAM or Turing machine. I think I'll have that one bronzed. You'll be a *long*, *long* time living that one down, pal. Count yourself lucky that the trained ape who did your news configuration has preserved you some measure of anonymity by obscuring your site's identity. Anyone else tempted to add their own bladderful to this torrent of misinformation: there is a substantial literature on computing with real numbers, ultimately going all the way to Brouwer's intuitionism of the 1920s, and you will look less of an idiot than these two if you read some of it. For starters you might get a copy of Lecture Notes in Computer Science 613, "Constructivity in Computer Science", ed. J.P. Myers and M.J. O'Donnell, Springer-Verlag 1991, and read back from the references in the Chirimar/Howe, Tucker/Zucker, and Weihrauch papers there. -- -- Jack Campin room G092, Computing Science Department, Glasgow University, 17 Lilybank Gardens, Glasgow G12 8RZ, Scotland TEL: 041 339 8855 x6854 (work) INTERNET: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk or via nsfnet-relay.ac.uk FAX: 041 330 4913 BANG!net: via mcsun and uknet BITNET: via UKACRL UUCP: jack@glasgow.uucp
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!sparky!uunet!pipex!bnr.co.uk!uknet!glasgow!jack From: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Real Numbers vs. Rational Numbers? Message-ID: <BzMGIy.D39@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk> Date: 21 Dec 92 18:25:45 GMT References: <1992Dec16.095412.19570@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> <7111@tivoli.UUCP> Reply-To: jack@dcs.glasgow.ac.uk (Jack Campin) Organization: COMANDOS Project, Glesga Yoonie Lines: 31