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Re: Real Numbers vs. Rational Numbers?

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From: Eddie Grove
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1992 18:59
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In article <1992Dec16.095412.19570@tom.rz.uni-passau.de> boerncke@kirk.fmi.uni-passau.de (Frank-Roland Boernke) writes:
>countable). Our professor told us, that RAMs are allowed to store REAL numbers
>too AND they are  still as powerful as an ordinary turing machine. I claimed, this
>can`t be true, since there isn`t any possibility to work with irrational 
>numbers in TMs. 

The assumption of a RAM that uses real numbers is that you can store a real 
number in one memory location.

It all comes down to whether you allow constants.  

If you do allow constants, consider the real number U whose i^th bit is
true if (in some standard encoding) the i^th turing machine halts when
given i as input.

Given U, and the ability to do standard arithmetic operations on intermediate
results (mult by 2, compare to integer, subtract integer from) you can 
decide the language {i : machine i does not halt on i}, which is beyond 
the range of an ordinary TM.

If you do not allow real constants, you can simulate the "REAL" RAM by an
ordinary TM.

Eddie Grove
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