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Article #2093Re: What if the Divisor is Negative? (was Re: Modulus)
From: Charles Lindsey
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1990 17:10
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 1990 17:10
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lori@rt7.cs.wisc.edu (Lori Lehman) writes:
>Everyone will agree that
> (a) 5 div 3 = 1,
> (b) 5 mod 3 = 2,
>and most people seem to agree that
> (c) -5 div 3 = -2,
> (d) -5 mod 3 = 1.
>Note that the divisor in these examples, 3, is positive. What happens when the
>divisor is _negative_? That is, how do we define the following?
> (e) 5 div -3,
> (f) 5 mod -3,
> (g) -5 div -3,
> (h) -5 mod -3.
>
>ONE POSSIBLE SOLUTION
>---------------------
>Generally speaking, given numbers m and n, we want to find the quotient and the
>remainder when m is divided by n. The quotient is "m div n" and the remainder
>is "m mod n." Mathematically speaking, given integers m and n (n <> 0), we can
>solve for q and r in the equation
> m = qn + r,
>where q and r are integers. If we force 0 <= r < n, we can get a unique
>solution.
I am delighted that "most" people are now agreed about the -ve dividends, but
I do not like the proposed solution for -ve divisors.
ANOTHER POSSIBLE SOLUTION
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I have no gut feeling for what 5 mod -3 should do, so let us fix div first.
The consensus for -ve divisors implies that m div n = floor(m/n). Let us try
to keep this for the new case.
(e) 5 div -3 = -2 ( = -5 div 3 )
(g) -5 div -3 = 1
But we should like to preserve
m = qn + r,
which inevitably leads to
(f) 5 mod -3 = -1
(h) -5 mod -3 = -2
Now try this for gut feeling, and we have, for all m and -ve n, n < m mod n <= 0
just as we had, for all m and +ve n, 0 <= m mod n < n
The whole thing feels quite comfortable for me, and it just remains for some Group
Theorist to report whether it is now a respectable algebra.
To summarize:
(a) 5 div 3 = 1 (e) 5 div -3 = -2
(b) 5 mod 3 = 2 (f) 5 mod -3 = -1
(c) -5 div 3 = -2 (g) -5 div -3 = 1
(d) -5 mod 3 = 1 (h) -5 mod -3 = -2
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Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!utzoo!utgpu!jarvis.csri.toronto.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!mcsun!ukc!mucs!chl From: chl@cs.man.ac.uk (Charles Lindsey) Newsgroups: comp.theory,comp.misc,comp.lang.misc Subject: Re: What if the Divisor is Negative? (was Re: Modulus) Message-ID: <1013@m1.cs.man.ac.uk> Date: 26 Feb 90 17:10:39 GMT References: <4356@daffy.cs.wisc.edu> Organization: Dept. Of Comp Sci, Univ. of Manchester, UK. Lines: 69