🚀 go-pugleaf

RetroBBS NetNews Server

Inspired by RockSolid Light RIP Retro Guy

Article View: comp.unix.admin
Article #4302

Re: Difference between Unix and Linux?

#4302
From: Steve Mading
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2002 01:18
32 lines
3152 bytes
In comp.unix.questions Robert Uhl <ruhl@4dv.net> <ruhl@4dv.net> wrote:
: Steve Mading <madings@baladi.bmrb.wisc.edu> writes:
:>
:> :> Alright, then switching from programs to other files, would that
:> :> one userland process function very well without any of the 
:> :> libraries in /lib, without the ability to interface with with
:> :> system routines because the library to interface with the kernel
:> :> is not there?
:> 
:> : It could interface to the kernel directly...
:> 
:> How?  Remember, no compiler, no libraries, no linking because you
:> are talking about bare-bones here (and precompiling elsewhere
:> doesn't count because that just offloads some OS functionality to a
:> seperate machine.)  So it would have to be by memorizing the offsets
:> of where routines start and calling them by address.

: It'd do it the same way glibc does it.  There's nothing special about
: glibc; I could write ulibc, were I sufficiently motivated.  Ditto for
: you or anyone else...

:> You also didn't answer the problem that "init=..." won't work
:> unless the executable you run is stored in a filesystem somewhere,
:> which means that the filesystem has to be part of the OS.

: Which is fairly appropriate, as allocating resources is the OS's job,
: and disk space is nothing if not a resource.

I agree that it is appropriate.  Jeffery, on the other hand, says that
ONLY the kernel is the OS and nothing else.  I'm trying to show
how a kernel with nothing else is completely useless as a platform
onto which to put a program.
Technical Details
Message-ID: <ag5ghr$gd7$2@news.doit.wisc.edu>
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!not-for-mail
References: <25fc8d92.0206150829.2aba827b@posting.google.com> <n36dhucf8bochbnh1lfhtp78lkrrerjpug@4ax.com> <afddm8$94k$1@tilde.itg.ti.com> <3D1A3FFD.4CE18AAC@quiotix.com> <m3ptyc6872.fsf@latakia.dyndns.org> <afiqt1$t1j$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3D1CF4D0.8090600@quiotix.com> <afkubh$4t$5@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3D1E6E23.EC9BAD89@quiotix.com> <afs1b3$iki$2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <m3n0tarvev.fsf@latakia.dyndns.org> <afth0g$d85$2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <m3u1nhij1m.fsf@latakia.dyndns.org>

Show Full Headers
Complete Article Headers
X-Google-Language: ENGLISH,ASCII-7-bit
X-Google-Thread: f8c9b,c2f5a7a6eb2eb0a9
X-Google-Attributes: gidf8c9b,public
X-Google-Thread: 1020c6,c2f5a7a6eb2eb0a9
X-Google-Attributes: gid1020c6,public
X-Google-Thread: 1025b4,7144e36039d56e89
X-Google-Attributes: gid1025b4,public
X-Google-ArrivalTime: 2002-07-05 18:30:04 PST
Path: arc1-ca.pugleaf.net!archiver1.google.com!news1.google.com!newsfeed.stanford.edu!news.ems.psu.edu!news.cse.psu.edu!uwm.edu!newsfeed.cs.wisc.edu!news.doit.wisc.edu!not-for-mail
From: Steve Mading <madings@baladi.bmrb.wisc.edu>
Newsgroups: comp.unix.admin,comp.unix.questions,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: Difference between Unix and Linux?
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:18:51 +0000 (UTC)
Organization: University of Wisconsin, Madison
Lines: 33
Message-ID: <ag5ghr$gd7$2@news.doit.wisc.edu>
References: <25fc8d92.0206150829.2aba827b@posting.google.com>   <n36dhucf8bochbnh1lfhtp78lkrrerjpug@4ax.com> <afddm8$94k$1@tilde.itg.ti.com> <3D1A3FFD.4CE18AAC@quiotix.com> <m3ptyc6872.fsf@latakia.dyndns.org> <afiqt1$t1j$1@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3D1CF4D0.8090600@quiotix.com> <afkubh$4t$5@news.doit.wisc.edu> <3D1E6E23.EC9BAD89@quiotix.com> <afs1b3$iki$2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <m3n0tarvev.fsf@latakia.dyndns.org> <afth0g$d85$2@news.doit.wisc.edu> <m3u1nhij1m.fsf@latakia.dyndns.org>
NNTP-Posting-Host: baladi.bmrb.wisc.edu
X-Trace: news.doit.wisc.edu 1025918331 16807 144.92.167.208 (6 Jul 2002 01:18:51 GMT)
X-Complaints-To: abuse@doit.wisc.edu
NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 01:18:51 +0000 (UTC)
User-Agent: tin/1.4.2-20000205 ("Possession") (UNIX) (Linux/2.2.17 (i686))