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On Tue, 27 May 1997, Richard Keech   Open Systems Group wrote:

> put more generally, what are the options for a unix-based desktop to
> properly inter-operate within a thoroughly microsoftened organisation?

More than half seriously: Quit, and work for a more enlightened
organisation.

Until then, If your company's mail is on some sort of POP server,
could you use a UNIX based POP client to read it?

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Richard Keech   Open Systems Group (rkeech@colesmyer.com.au) wrote:
: i'm about to be subjected to having to use MS Outlook and windows 97
: on my desktop at work.  is there such a thing as a unix-based
: Outlook-compatible mail client to save me from this fate?

I don't know of any unix program which will do this at present - MS
seem to be deliberately non-standard with everything they do, then
patent it and keep it to themselves for good measure. :-(

: put more generally, what are the options for a unix-based desktop to
: properly inter-operate within a thoroughly microsoftened organisation?

When it became clear that we were going to _need_ to get access to MS
apps (sales-people seem to have fascination with emailing 2.5MB excel
spreadsheets around) we installed a Wincenter machine - a hacked
version of NT from Citrix which will bring an NT login session up
inside an X windows session. It's still painful, but it's fast and you
can turn it off when you don't need it. ;-)

Duane.

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In article <xia67w5tas9.fsf@colesmyer.com.au> Richard Keech   Open Systems Group <rkeech@colesmyer.com.au> writes:
>help,
>
>i'm about to be subjected to having to use MS Outlook and windows 97
>on my desktop at work.  is there such a thing as a unix-based
>Outlook-compatible mail client to save me from this fate?
>
>put more generally, what are the options for a unix-based desktop to
>properly inter-operate within a thoroughly microsoftened organisation?

We converted most of our UNIX-based workstations to NT after
several months of testing Xserver packages: Xvision is one, but
there are others. We have in general been very happy with the
combination of OS applications and functionalities this
arrangement offers. Integrated office packages using the NT OS
core and associated tools have really added to the productivity
of our workplace. The reliability and scalability of UNIX has
been retained for core server, especially after putting a copy
of Advanced Server for Unix (NT services) on the UNIX servers.
(AS/U offers a superset of the functionality that the SAMBA
package delivers.)

Most UNIX users really access their network connection from a
telnet/ASCII window, and some use an X-based GUI. Both these
methods are still accessible if an Xserver product is installed
on a WindowsNT system. The addition of Windows-based tools is
just icing on the cake, in my opinion.

I personally have been quite satisfied with this setup for more
than 5 years.

And, yes, I am still using nroff(1) to format my postings... :-)
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Outlook is exactly the same as Microsoft Mail and News.  Just a different
name.
So if you were able to read MS M&N then you will be fine
 Richard Keech Open Systems Group wrote in article ...
>
>help,
>
>i'm about to be subjected to having to use MS Outlook and windows 97
>on my desktop at work.  is there such a thing as a unix-based
>Outlook-compatible mail client to save me from this fate?
>
>put more generally, what are the options for a unix-based desktop to
>properly inter-operate within a thoroughly microsoftened organisation?
>
>thanks
>
>Richard Keech
> 

Richard Keech Open Systems Group wrote:
> 
> help,
> 
> i'm about to be subjected to having to use MS Outlook and windows 97
> on my desktop at work.  is there such a thing as a unix-based
> Outlook-compatible mail client to save me from this fate?
> 
> put more generally, what are the options for a unix-based desktop to
> properly inter-operate within a thoroughly microsoftened organisation?
> 
> thanks
> 
> Richard Keech

As I understand it, Outlook is an NNTP news/POP mail client for MS
users.

Netscape would give you both of these.  Your only issue would be MS file
attachments, and finding a Unix app to work them with.  We use NCD's
Wincenter
at this site to support Sun developers accessing Windoze apps (no
endorsement
to be implied).

	Bob Halloran
	AT&T Universal Card
	Jacksonville FL		rkh@ucs.att.com

ObDisc: If I were speaking for AT&T, they'd be paying me better...

duane@shara.connect.com.au (Duane Schultz) writes:

>Richard Keech   Open Systems Group (rkeech@colesmyer.com.au) wrote:

>: put more generally, what are the options for a unix-based desktop to
>: properly inter-operate within a thoroughly microsoftened organisation?

>When it became clear that we were going to _need_ to get access to MS
>apps (sales-people seem to have fascination with emailing 2.5MB excel
>spreadsheets around) we installed a Wincenter machine - a hacked
>version of NT from Citrix which will bring an NT login session up
>inside an X windows session. It's still painful, but it's fast and you
>can turn it off when you don't need it. ;-)

	I can second this solution. Probably the most glitch-free 
desktop in our office of some 400+ PCs is my own running SCO UnixWare
on a Dell. When I need to run MS Apps I run my "wincenter" alias which
fires up an rsh to a Compaq 5000. This presents me with a real "window"
into an NT 3.51 server running mostly 32-bit apps. A number of folks
are buying into this solution because I put all of our newest apps 
there first (e.g. Corel Suite 7, Office 97 Pro, etc.).

	A few are even using this solution to abandon their PCs altogether.
I've already got a couple who traded in (I won't say "up" or "down") '486
PCs for HDS FX stations, one in lieu of a proferred HP Vectra XM and I've
got requests for ten more. I got a kick out of stumping one sceptic by
opening a graphic session to my UnixWare desktop, then firing off an NT
session from the Compaq, then linking to my Linux box to display a Netscape
session. This on a 12 MB box without floppy or disk!

Outlook, like Exchange can be configured to connect to pop servers, but a
server running Exchange/Outlook (part of Backoffice - I prefer to call it
Backpassage) can only talk to an Exchange/Outlook client... They provide
extra things apart from mail and I don't see MS availing the technology to
the Unix community..

Bob Halloran <rkh@ucs.att.com> wrote in article
<338D96CD.78DA4F6E@ucs.att.com>...
> Richard Keech Open Systems Group wrote:
> > 
> > help,
> > 
> > i'm about to be subjected to having to use MS Outlook and windows 97
> > on my desktop at work.  is there such a thing as a unix-based
> > Outlook-compatible mail client to save me from this fate?
> > 
> > put more generally, what are the options for a unix-based desktop to
> > properly inter-operate within a thoroughly microsoftened organisation?
> > 
> > thanks
> > 
> > Richard Keech
> 
> As I understand it, Outlook is an NNTP news/POP mail client for MS
> users.
> 
> Netscape would give you both of these.  Your only issue would be MS file
> attachments, and finding a Unix app to work them with.  We use NCD's
> Wincenter
> at this site to support Sun developers accessing Windoze apps (no
> endorsement
> to be implied).
> 
> 	Bob Halloran
> 	AT&T Universal Card
> 	Jacksonville FL		rkh@ucs.att.com
> 
> ObDisc: If I were speaking for AT&T, they'd be paying me better...
>