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Article #830Univel to be a collector's item, and other stories
From: Evan Leibovitch
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 03:56
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1993 03:56
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This is part one of a some impressions I received after attending
the Toronto leg of Merisel's Softeach '93 conference, given to the
distributor's dealers and VARs.
Note: what follows below is a blend of facts, hearsay and opinions.
If anyone has any factual corrections, please post them. If anyone has
any corrections to my opinions and impressions, well, I figure you'll
post them too. :-)
**** PART 1 - Univel (for now)
I attended the Novell Unix presentation, given by Chris Johnson.
I guess someone decided that there weren't enough starup glitches for
the fledgling Univel mailing list / newsgroup: now I've got to work on
a namechange for both of them.
It appears the name Univel is going to go away. The USL, Univel, and
NetWare-to-TCP/IP connectivity divisions of Univel are about to combine
in some form. Whether this is a full-blown merger of personnel I'm not
sure, but one of the end results of this appears to be the end of the
company -- and the name -- Univel.
If you think about it, Univel became pretty redundant after Novell
bought USL. Univel is half-owned by Novell, and half-owned by what
is now a division of Novell. Kinda silly, no?
Anyway, it appears that the product(s) currently sold by Univel are
going to become known as UnixWare by Novell. The 1-800-4-UNIVEL number
will be going away too, but there's already a replacement for it, which
is 1-800-772-UNIX.
Also: Those of you who read biz.univel.misc have of late been seeing a
thread regarding why UnixWare's Personal Edition does not come bundled
with TCP/IP (it's presently an optional extra), and whether it should.
This debate can be put to rest. Univel's next release, slated for
September, will be the first in which TCP/IP *will* be bundled in the
PE. I was not told whether it was the Lachman TCP implementation, someone
else's or an in-house version, nor what pricing and upgrade policies
will be.
It's interesting that during questions at the seminar, it was clear that
Novell will not only not discourage, but encourage, the use of TCP/IP
for DOS/Windows-to-Unix networking. Apparently, Novell's LAN Workplace,
the name of its implementation of TCP/IP for DOS/Macintosh, is selling
fantastically, and it's totally possible -- and supported -- to have a
PC/Unix connectivity scenario which uses 100% Novell networking software
but 0% NetWare.
I asked when UnixWare would be including multi-processor support, and
when it would be possible to combine NetWare file server capabilities into
its Application Server. I was told that both are being worked on, but no
specific timeframe yet.
Chris also hinted that there might be a "major" announcement at the Unix
Expo show (New York, late September) regarding "Unix unification", but
would offer no details. I asked whether SCO and/or Solaris might be a part
of this, he said "we hope". Anyone have an idea what this is all about?
**** PART 2 - SCO
Nothing much to say, they had a table staffed by knowledgeable SCO Canada
people, but no any demo units or formal presentations. It was designed
(it seemed) more than anything to explain the company's recent re-structuring
of its product lines.
**** PART 3 - SunSoft
I attended the SunSoft presentation given by Robert Buckley III and
Robert Saft.
Their booth, presentation, and the answers I got to my questions,
really pissed me off.
The two Roberts were very technically on the ball, but most of the
presentation was wasted trying to describe a "man page" to an audience,
of whom more than half didn't know the difference bewteen Unix and OS/2.
As if it's not enough of a headache splintering the Intel Unix market
essentially three ways (Solaris, USL, SCO), SunSoft in its wisdom(sic)
has determined not to stop selling Interactive 3.2, even though Solaris
2.1 for Intel is now shipping. This decision has forced SunSoft to not
only position its Unix products against the competition, but also
against each other.
Despite the presenters' technical skills, neither had any idea of how to
deal with a non-technical audience. In stark contrast to dazzling
graphics all over the conference (including at Solaris' own demo unit),
the presentation was dryly done with the assistance of black and white
overheads that looked like they were done at the last minute.
As for content; I loved what I heard about Wabi (the spelling on SunSoft's
slides were not all-caps), and I hope that USL seriously considers turfing
Merge for the Wabi approach. However, the rest of the presentation, and
the description of Sun's sales and marketing strategies as I heard it,
suck *big time*. If I didn't know any better, I'd swear that all the
people once in charge of marketing Dell Unix went to Solaris. (Hmm, Dell
has chosen to resell Solaris as its Unix-of-the-future. Maybe there's a
connection. Or maybe Dell just has a "reverse Midas touch" when it comes
to Unix -- all the gold it touches turns into crap.)
Based on what I heard in the presentation and answers to my questions
afterwards, I believe Solaris' approach is not only arrogant, but
astoundingly ignorant of the Intel marketplace. Binary in-compatibility
with UnixWare and ODT was *not a concern*, they said. In fact, questions
about comparisons with SCO and UnixWare were brushed aside as if the
products were not even worthy of competition. Well, at a technical level,
they may even be right in some respects. But IMO *nobody* should just
causally brush off the market leaders so casually, especially when
*they're* the newcomer in this field.
The impression I got of their attitude was "hey we're Sun -- they
should be worried about compatibility with *us*, not the other way
around". Yet it appears that the number of Catalyst packages which
has actually been ported to Intel is, shall we say, underwhelming.
When I asked about binary compatibility, they answered with a drawn
out COSE tutorial. A yes or no would have sufficed at the time.
Compared to the tidy approaches of SCO and Novell, Sun's dealer
authorization programs are a joke. You have to buy a $100 dealer sales kit
and a copy of Solaris before you even apply, require some (undefined)
documentation of cerification elsewhere (like a university degree?)
over and above a demonstration of Unix proficiency (either through
courses or tests).
To make matters worse, authorizations to sell Solaris, Interactive, Sun
hardware, and Sun Select (which deals with PC-NFS) are *all* done separately.
Someone correct me, I hope what I was told is wrong, 'cause this is sick.
Marketing wise, SunSoft appears to think that it need do nothing more
than announce its arrival, and everyone will beat a path to it because
they think it's a superior product. Methinks they may be in for a rude
awakeing, and may potentially even suffer the same fate as Dell, for
much the same reasons. Seems like Sun hasn't learned a damn thing since
its last abortive venture into the Intel architecture.
SunSoft needs a clue about selling into the Intel market. And fast.
--
Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
"It costs a lot of money to look as cheap as I do" -- Dolly Parton
--
Evan Leibovitch, Sound Software Ltd., located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario
evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!utzoo!telly!evan / (416) 452-0504
"It costs a lot of money to look as cheap as I do" -- Dolly Parton
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