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Re: SCAN 95b doesn't find MtE in EXE files (PC)

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From: Jimmy Kuo
Date: Tue, 03 Nov 1992 20:31
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Stefano Turci writes:
[after converting MtE infected COM files to EXEs and then LZEXE'd them]
>The results were a bit strange, in fact:
>    F-prot 2.05
>    Scan 97
>    VirX 2.4
>missed *ALL* the converted files, while
>    Gobbler 2.99 beta 5
>    TbScan 4.3
>got each infected file.

>The viruses in the files missed by F-prot, Scan and VirX in the .EXE
>form were all found out by the same programs in the original .COM
>version.

>I have personally tried to infect a COM file starting from a .EXE
>converted file and the infection was made correctly, that is the
>converted files are still able to propagate the virus, so I think the
>authors of the "missing-in- action" programs should improve their a-v
>packages. 8-)

These results are not surprising nor should they be alarming.  There's
a ever going argument in the anti-virus field relating to the premise
that anti-virus software must be able to detect every absolute
infected file.  The opposing side argues that it is not necessary to
detect such files as those above (or specific files found in some
reviewers' collections) which do not create children of the same form.

The argument for the second opinion says that if you detect the
infected form of the children, you will know if something is going on
in the computer.  Once something is known to be affecting the
computer, theories related to integrity checking can take over.  Files
such as those created above and certain files in reviewers'
collections cannot spread in that convoluted form and need not worry
endusers.  (A version of this argument applies to whether it is
necessary to detect absolutely 100% of MtE mutations, i.e.  integrity
checking takes over.)

It should be the form that propagates that we worry about.  And though
you didn't note it, I'm sure all the files infected by your creations
were detected by all the packages above.  Thus end-users need not
worry about your peculiar forms of MtE files because you're not going
to put those files on anyone else's computer.  :-)

Jimmy Kuo                                       cjkuo@ccmail.norton.com
Norton AntiVirus Research
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