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4 total messages Started by Peter C. Bahrs Mon, 03 Oct 1988 21:06
MS Windows
#1047
Author: Peter C. Bahrs
Date: Mon, 03 Oct 1988 21:06
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Well, I just returned from the OOPSLA 88 Conference in San Diego.  I heard
a lot about MS Windows, C, and C++, et.al.

1) Zortech is not releasing and hooks into MS Windows with its C++ compiler.

2) Glockenspeil (excuse spelling) has ported AT&T's C++ to the DOS environment.
They are associated with a company that produced CommonView, which is
a class library of MS Windows abstractions.  An example they had was a
12 line program to create a pen drawing window. Pretty neat.
  However, rumor is (with a shhhh!) that the 'Big M...' will soon be 
marketing this product.

3) Consider what happens in MS Windows when moving segments (i.e. pointers
are changed, memory compacted, etc).  If your code is developed correctly
everything is fine.
   So how are you doing IO???  Note that all of the C libraries are
C libraries.  So if you call a stdio function, like scanf or printf and
windows decides to move these routines, what happens.  Well apparently
some of these routines use internall buffers and the pointers do not
get updated like MS Windows pointers and ker-blang, fatal error of
some kind.  This is the information that I got from a couple of great
people from MS while eating salmon and listening to Mitchell Kapor talk.
This 'syndrome' seems to occur with any C routine that may have pointers and
especially when memory is low..

4) Win 2.0 is more streamlined and fine tuned thus it appears to perform
faster than Win 386.  AND, win386 is still non-premptive...no time slice
scheduling.

5) Let me just reiterate how nice it is to program in C++ in the
windows environment, I Must Say.

6) It appears that a port from a MS Windows environment to Presentation
Manager will be about 60% straightforward and about 40% re-thinking/re-coding!

7) C++ and MS Windows will still run under CodeView!

Thats all for now,
Comments: pcb@usl.usl.edu       csnet
Re: MS Windows
#1048
Author: Brian Lair
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 1988 13:04
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In article <445@usl.usl.edu>, pcb@usl.usl.edu (Peter C. Bahrs) writes:
> 
> 1) Zortech is not releasing and hooks into MS Windows with its C++ compiler.
                 ^
	do you mean "now"?

> 6) It appears that a port from a MS Windows environment to Presentation
> Manager will be about 60% straightforward & about 40% re-thinking/re-coding!

This week's PC Week (page 1) reports that Micrografx may come out with a
"tool kit that converts Windows applications to OS/2 Presentation Manager
format without requiring modifications to the source code".  We'll see...

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Re: MS Windows
#1051
Author: Peter C. Bahrs
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 1988 16:30
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In article <358@enint.Wichita.NCR.COM>, blair@enint.Wichita.NCR.COM (Brian Lair) writes:
> In article <445@usl.usl.edu>, pcb@usl.usl.edu (Peter C. Bahrs) writes:
> > 
> > 1) Zortech is not releasing and hooks into MS Windows with its C++ compiler.
>                  ^
> 	do you mean "now"?

After talking with the author of Zortech's C++ compiler and several
representatives from Zortech, they message I received is that they are not
working on a MS windows version at all. 

I have read that Zortech was working on this product (in news) but they
dismissed it.
Re: MS Windows
#1060
Author: Matthew Meighan
Date: Wed, 26 Oct 1988 23:43
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In article <445@usl.usl.edu>, pcb@usl.usl.edu (Peter C. Bahrs) writes:

# 3) Consider what happens in MS Windows when moving segments (i.e. pointers
# are changed, memory compacted, etc).  If your code is developed correctly
# everything is fine.
# So how are you doing IO???  Note that all of the C libraries are
# C libraries.  So if you call a stdio function, like scanf or printf and
# windows decides to move these routines, what happens.  Well apparently
# some of these routines use internall buffers and the pointers do not
# get updated like MS Windows pointers and ker-blang, fatal error of
# some kind. This 'syndrome' seems to occur with any C routine that may
# have pointers and especially when memory is low..

This problem arises when you try to use buffered I/O, and the C library 
code mallocs a buffer, which Windows translates to a LocalAlloc; Windows
may move your data segment under these conditions, invalidating any 
far pointers into it. 

A couple of work-arounds:

1.  Don't use buffered I/O (fopen, fwrite, etc), use the low-level
open, write, etc instead.  These are safe.  This means that you can't
use fprintf, but you can use sprintf to format a string into a buffer, 
then use write to write it to a file.

2.  Before doing any buffered I/O, use the Microsoft C Library's
setbuf() call to set up your own I/O buffer.  Then, the C library won't
try to malloc one, and the problem you mention will go away.

We've used both of these approaches with no problems, after having
lots of problems trying to do buffered I/O without the setbuf call.

3.  I haven't tried this, but Petzold describes some undocumented
Windows file I/O functions on pages 455-458 of _Programming Windows_.


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