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Mark Greenaway <m.greenaway@nepean.uws.edu.au> wrote:
> Matthias Weiss wrote:
> > make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/kde/share/apps/korigin/base'
> > moc plot.h -o plot.moc
> > make[1]: moc: Command not found
> > What is "moc" and what do I have to change???
> moc is the metaobject compiler for QT.

And the simplest fix for this kind of error is to link $(QTDIR)/bin/moc to
somewhere in your $PATH

> > How do I set the "QTDIR" - is it /usr/lib/?????

the standard? place is /opt/qt or /usr/local/qt so set it like this:
setenv QTDIR /usr/local/qt (under csh/tcsh) or export QTDIR=/usr/local/qt
(bash/sh...). If you have rights, put it in /etc/profile and/or /etc/cshrc
and /etc/login etc...

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Matthias Weiss wrote:
> 
> Hi there..
> 
> I want to install korigin in /opt/kde/share/apps/korigin/ so I untared
> the korigin....tgz in ../apps/.
> I corrected the mk.korigin to:
> 
> #
> # You will have to edit the KORIGIN=... line.
> # You also might have to adapt the CXXFALGS=... and LDFLAGS=... lines.
> #
> KORIGIN = /opt/kde/share/apps/korigin
> MODULES = histo-0.9 linreg-0.1 exportHTML-0.1 exportTeX-0.1
> importASCII-0.1 xyplot-0.5
> KDEDIR = /opt/kde
> 
> AR = ar rs
> CXX = g++
> DXX = doc++
> INSTALL = install
> KDOC = kdoc
> MOC = moc
> RANLIB = ranlib
> CXXFLAGS = -Wall -g -I$(QTDIR)/include -I$(KDEDIR)/include
> -I$(KORIGIN)/base \
>         -I/usr/X11/include
> LDFLAGS = /usr/lib/libqt.so \
>         $(KDEDIR)/lib/libkdecore.so.0 $(KDEDIR)/lib/libkdeui.so.0 \
>         -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXext
> 
> Running "make" ended in:
> 
> dld:[korigin] #make
> (cd ./base && make)
> make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/kde/share/apps/korigin/base'
> moc plot.h -o plot.moc
> make[1]: moc: Command not found
> make[1]: *** [plot.moc] Error 127
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/kde/share/apps/korigin/base'
> make: *** [default] Error 2
> 
> What is "moc" and what do I have to change???
> 
> How do I set the "QTDIR" - is it /usr/lib/?????
> 
> At least I have to say that I am very unexperienced in "making" apps,
> maby someone can tell me general tips and traps for compiling
> sorcecodes.

QTDIR is like the --prefix command in configure.  If you Qt libraries
are located in
/usr/lib, QTDIR would be /usr.  Then moc would be located at
/usr/bin/moc.  To find where moc is just type "locate moc" (hopefully
locate works on your system).  If it is located in a strange location
just edit your Makefile's MOC entry to point at the location of moc. 

 
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John Walstra wrote:
> 
> Matthias Weiss wrote:
> >
> > Hi there..

> > What is "moc" and what do I have to change???

moc only comes with the "developer" QT packages (rpm or tar.gz)

> QTDIR is like the --prefix command in configure.  If you Qt libraries
> are located in
> /usr/lib, QTDIR would be /usr.  Then moc would be located at
> /usr/bin/moc.  To find where moc is just type "locate moc" (hopefully
> locate works on your system).  If it is located in a strange location
> just edit your Makefile's MOC entry to point at the location of moc.

if you have moc the defaults should be fine...

had me stumped for yonks :)

t

Matthias Weiss wrote:
> Hi there..

Hello yourself.

> dld:[korigin] #make
> (cd ./base && make)
> make[1]: Entering directory `/opt/kde/share/apps/korigin/base'
> moc plot.h -o plot.moc
> make[1]: moc: Command not found
> make[1]: *** [plot.moc] Error 127
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/kde/share/apps/korigin/base'
> make: *** [default] Error 2
> 
> What is "moc" and what do I have to change???

moc is the metaobject compiler for QT.
 
> How do I set the "QTDIR" - is it /usr/lib/?????

It may well be. It should be the directory containing libqt. Have you
installed qt correctly? Can you compile the sample qt programs?

Mark

Rastus wrote:
> 
> Roope Anttinen wrote:
> 
> > --
> > MicroSoft? is that some kind of a toilet paper?
> 
> For sure...95 sheets to a roll, soon to be 98.....or you can get the new
> technology version 4 sheets to a roll, soon to be 5, serving multiple
> clients at the one time....
> 
> WT (washroom technology) managers rushing to get on the new technology
> bandwagon, are troubled however, at the unseen extra cost of building
> ever larger conveniences....
> 
> --
> What will you have to debug today?

That's kinda funny actually.  It's also very productive and condusive to
giving Linux a professional image (NOTE: the last sentence was entirely
laced with sarcasm).  I would bet large sums of cash that you wouldn't
hesitate at the opportunity to trade places with Mr. Gates.  It's very
understandable to be jealous of someone who makes more in a year than
you would make in 1000 lifetimes.  

Your hostility is forgiven :)
-- 

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mspauld at mindspring dot com

Matt wrote:
> 
> Rastus wrote:
> >
> > Roope Anttinen wrote:
> >
> > > --
> > > MicroSoft? is that some kind of a toilet paper?
> >
> > For sure...95 sheets to a roll, soon to be 98.....or you can get the new
> > technology version 4 sheets to a roll, soon to be 5, serving multiple
> > clients at the one time....
> >
> > WT (washroom technology) managers rushing to get on the new technology
> > bandwagon, are troubled however, at the unseen extra cost of building
> > ever larger conveniences....
> >
> > --
> > What will you have to debug today?
> 
> That's kinda funny actually.  It's also very productive and condusive to
> giving Linux a professional image (NOTE: the last sentence was entirely
> laced with sarcasm).  I would bet large sums of cash that you wouldn't
> hesitate at the opportunity to trade places with Mr. Gates.  It's very
> understandable to be jealous of someone who makes more in a year than
> you would make in 1000 lifetimes.
> 
> Your hostility is forgiven :)

Your ignorance is not forgiven. It was intended to be humorous, and you
figured this out; but you then proceeded to troll and suggest that just
because someone is against MS and all its plans, that they are somehow
jealous of BGates. Frankly, it isn't so, and your reasoning for this
assumption is nonexistent.

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and all the other systems I didn't mention. We all compute differently,
get over it.                                          Jeremy Crabtree

Roope Anttinen wrote:

> --
> MicroSoft? is that some kind of a toilet paper?

For sure...95 sheets to a roll, soon to be 98.....or you can get the new
technology version 4 sheets to a roll, soon to be 5, serving multiple
clients at the one time....

WT (washroom technology) managers rushing to get on the new technology
bandwagon, are troubled however, at the unseen extra cost of building
ever larger conveniences....

--
What will you have to debug today?

People arent jealouse of Bill Gates (well they are but just stay with me)
They are annoyed that he has such a monopoly on the PC World. 

He has made so much money out of so little and forces us to buy them by
paying software companies to make they're software Windows95 only.

How long until its Windows 98 only?
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In article <355A5451.A83A7C3C@delphi.com>,
  crc3419@delphi.com wrote:
>
> Matt wrote:
> >
> > Rastus wrote:
> > >
> > > Roope Anttinen wrote:
> > >
> > > > --
> > > > MicroSoft? is that some kind of a toilet paper?
> > >
> > > For sure...95 sheets to a roll, soon to be 98.....or you can get the new
> > > technology version 4 sheets to a roll, soon to be 5, serving multiple
> > > clients at the one time....
> > >
> > > WT (washroom technology) managers rushing to get on the new technology
> > > bandwagon, are troubled however, at the unseen extra cost of building
> > > ever larger conveniences....
> > >
> > > --
> > > What will you have to debug today?
> >
> > That's kinda funny actually.  It's also very productive and condusive to
> > giving Linux a professional image (NOTE: the last sentence was entirely
> > laced with sarcasm).  I would bet large sums of cash that you wouldn't
> > hesitate at the opportunity to trade places with Mr. Gates.  It's very
> > understandable to be jealous of someone who makes more in a year than
> > you would make in 1000 lifetimes.
> >
> > Your hostility is forgiven :)
>
> Your ignorance is not forgiven. It was intended to be humorous, and you
> figured this out; but you then proceeded to troll and suggest that just
> because someone is against MS and all its plans, that they are somehow
> jealous of BGates. Frankly, it isn't so, and your reasoning for this
> assumption is nonexistent.
>

Well, you are correct in saying that anti-MS people are not necessarily
jealous of anyone in particular.  It just seemed like a good topper to my main
point, which was that "posts like this aren't productive or condusive to
giving Linux a professional image in any way." , which I also note you did NOT
comment on.  What do they really have to do with Linux, or much less the
original post?

FWIW- I see no efforts to keep these type of posts in check.  With many other
groups I frequent, most resident posters tend to at least attempt a detour
of useless/bash threads such as this, even in unmoderated groups.  I guess it
all depends on the image the community wishes to portray...

My $.02
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I would tend to agree. The hostility that is evident toward Microsoft
isn't specifically Bill Gates, it's the whole prospect of another
AT&T-like monopoly this time over the computer world, and more
specifically the Internet.

No-one wants to see a monopoly, but Microsoft has almost become just
that... and though I'm sure reports of Microsoft muscling companies to
support them and them only are exaggerated, there's certainly a ring of
truth to many of them. The rise of the Internet is something that's
really exacerbated this problem. The Internet was founded on the ideals
of freedom of information and choice... something that a monopoly can't
hope to aspire to. Microsoft jumped on the Internet bandwagon relatively
late compared to other companies in the world, but quickly grew to the
strong position it's in today purely by advertising and claiming how
their product is so much better than the other product.

Sure there's nothing illegal, or even immoral about this... it's the
epitome of the free market... but the "evidence" of their claims about
their platform being the "Perfect Internet Platform" is strangely
absent, and in fact more and more people are realizing that Microsoft's
platform is never going to be that.

You see, the demands of an Internet-dominated society are going to
change too rapidly for Microsoft to keep up. It's become such a huge
company that it's almost become a beureaucracy unto itself, and like
most big governments that leads to a kind of "slow-motion innovation".
Linux is a fast-moving target for Microsoft too... the face of the OS
can change from day to day, much like the Internet that spawned it. They
might hit the target once in a while, but by the time their product is
ready to compete that target has moved again.

It's not going to take a coalition to beat Microsoft... and it's not
going to take slamming Microsoft in a public forum... it's going to take
a fast-moving startup, or a target that moves too rapidly for Microsoft
to keep up... and I personally believe that the target already exists...
it just needs to gain more momentum, and then handle that momentum
right.

Rant mode off :)
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thumper@brainfart.com
http://home.earthlink.net/~hackrat

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ocman@usa.net wrote:
> 
> In article <355A5451.A83A7C3C@delphi.com>,
>   crc3419@delphi.com wrote:
> >
> > Matt wrote:
> > >
> > > Rastus wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Roope Anttinen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > MicroSoft? is that some kind of a toilet paper?
> > > >
> > > > For sure...95 sheets to a roll, soon to be 98.....or you can get the new
> > > > technology version 4 sheets to a roll, soon to be 5, serving multiple
> > > > clients at the one time....
> > > >
> > > > WT (washroom technology) managers rushing to get on the new technology
> > > > bandwagon, are troubled however, at the unseen extra cost of building
> > > > ever larger conveniences....
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > What will you have to debug today?
> > >
> > > That's kinda funny actually.  It's also very productive and condusive to
> > > giving Linux a professional image (NOTE: the last sentence was entirely
> > > laced with sarcasm).  I would bet large sums of cash that you wouldn't
> > > hesitate at the opportunity to trade places with Mr. Gates.  It's very
> > > understandable to be jealous of someone who makes more in a year than
> > > you would make in 1000 lifetimes.
> > >
> > > Your hostility is forgiven :)
> >
> > Your ignorance is not forgiven. It was intended to be humorous, and you
> > figured this out; but you then proceeded to troll and suggest that just
> > because someone is against MS and all its plans, that they are somehow
> > jealous of BGates. Frankly, it isn't so, and your reasoning for this
> > assumption is nonexistent.
> >
> 
> Well, you are correct in saying that anti-MS people are not necessarily
> jealous of anyone in particular.  It just seemed like a good topper to my main
> point, which was that "posts like this aren't productive or condusive to
> giving Linux a professional image in any way." , which I also note you did NOT
> comment on.

Okay, here is a comment, those types of posts are useless.

>  What do they really have to do with Linux, or much less the
> original post?

I've no idea, I read it in alt.destory.microsoft

> 
> FWIW- I see no efforts to keep these type of posts in check.  With many other
> groups I frequent, most resident posters tend to at least attempt a detour
> of useless/bash threads such as this, even in unmoderated groups.  I guess it
> all depends on the image the community wishes to portray...

Any ideas on how to limit these typs of posts?

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and all the other systems I didn't mention. We all compute differently,
get over it.                                          Jeremy Crabtree

Jeremy Crabtree wrote:
> 
> ocman@usa.net wrote:
> >
> > In article <355A5451.A83A7C3C@delphi.com>,
> >   crc3419@delphi.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Matt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Rastus wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Roope Anttinen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > MicroSoft? is that some kind of a toilet paper?
> > > > >
> > > > > For sure...95 sheets to a roll, soon to be 98.....or you can get the new
> > > > > technology version 4 sheets to a roll, soon to be 5, serving multiple
> > > > > clients at the one time....
> > > > >
> > > > > WT (washroom technology) managers rushing to get on the new technology
> > > > > bandwagon, are troubled however, at the unseen extra cost of building
> > > > > ever larger conveniences....
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > What will you have to debug today?
> > > >
> > > > That's kinda funny actually.  It's also very productive and condusive to
> > > > giving Linux a professional image (NOTE: the last sentence was entirely
> > > > laced with sarcasm).  I would bet large sums of cash that you wouldn't
> > > > hesitate at the opportunity to trade places with Mr. Gates.  It's very
> > > > understandable to be jealous of someone who makes more in a year than
> > > > you would make in 1000 lifetimes.
> > > >
> > > > Your hostility is forgiven :)
> > >
> > > Your ignorance is not forgiven. It was intended to be humorous, and you
> > > figured this out; but you then proceeded to troll and suggest that just
> > > because someone is against MS and all its plans, that they are somehow
> > > jealous of BGates. Frankly, it isn't so, and your reasoning for this
> > > assumption is nonexistent.
> > >
> >
> > Well, you are correct in saying that anti-MS people are not necessarily
> > jealous of anyone in particular.  It just seemed like a good topper to my main
> > point, which was that "posts like this aren't productive or condusive to
> > giving Linux a professional image in any way." , which I also note you did NOT
> > comment on.
> 
> Okay, here is a comment, those types of posts are useless.
> 
> >  What do they really have to do with Linux, or much less the
> > original post?
> 
> I've no idea, I read it in alt.destory.microsoft
> 
> >
> > FWIW- I see no efforts to keep these type of posts in check.  With many other
> > groups I frequent, most resident posters tend to at least attempt a detour
> > of useless/bash threads such as this, even in unmoderated groups.  I guess it
> > all depends on the image the community wishes to portray...
> 
> Any ideas on how to limit these typs of posts?

Well, let me first start by saying that I'm not trying to tell anyone
how things should be "run" or the like, especially in an unmoderated
forum such as this.  All I am saying is that there are many people
browsing through newsgroup looking for information, and unfortunately
many of them tend to believe and/or take seriously much of what they
read.  Having said that, it would seem detrimental to any cause where
individuals within that community publicly insulted other groups or
communities,  especially where the posting is as easily available as
newsgroup archives.  It just doesn't come across in a positive way at
all, and hopefully some of the more senior residents would attempt to
minimize those situations.  Anyone can write whatever they desire in
theory, but even unmoderated organizations have ways to minimize slander
and insults.  

What might those means be?  

Well, for one, several of the more respected senior residents could post
in reply and comment that this particular type of post helps tarnish the
image of that community. 

Also, it is very easy to change the subject header if necessary, and
also attempt to detour the thread content.  If thread content can so
quickly turn for the worse, it can, with a bit of effort, just as easily
turn towards something more productive and worth my reading.  Cutting
down on the cross-posting can also be effective.

In extreme cases, I have seen many threaten to instruct others to filter
out the rotten eggs.  Again, this is a bit extreme and would apply to
only the most notorious individuals.

Using these techniques, as well as a few others, I have seen similar
situations improve drastically over time, and now problems are
practically non-existent.  After a while the negative content
contributors realize that their posts are no longer appreciated and/or
tolerated, and they just cease posting.  The result is that both parties
win.  The group improves it's image, and the horse's ass no longer
appears as such and might even walk away a better outlook on things.

Well, I guess I had better stop here before this thing ends up being a
500 page book :)

Just more of my $.02

-- 

-Matt

mspauld at mindspring dot com

ocman@usa.net writes:

>Well, you are correct in saying that anti-MS people are not necessarily
>jealous of anyone in particular.  It just seemed like a good topper to my main
>point, which was that "posts like this aren't productive or condusive to
>giving Linux a professional image in any way." , which I also note you did NOT
>comment on.  What do they really have to do with Linux, or much less the
>original post?

What is so important about Linux having a professional image?  I use linux
because it lets me do what I want, in marked contrast to Win95/NT.  A few days
ago me and a friend set up a ppp link over telnet over secure shell, thus
creating an encrypted virtual private network.  No prizes for guessing which OS
had enough flexibility to make that possible, even easy to do.

>FWIW- I see no efforts to keep these type of posts in check.  With many other
>groups I frequent, most resident posters tend to at least attempt a detour
>of useless/bash threads such as this, even in unmoderated groups.  I guess it
>all depends on the image the community wishes to portray...

Content is and always has been more important than image.  Have you seen the
ads for Windows on tv lately?  They have absolutely nothing to do with what
windows actually does, they are entirely image and no content.  I would be
very sad if linux ended up like that..

It's 15 May 98  04:04,
We'll return to thumper@brainfart.com and All's
discussion of KDE applikations

 th> Sure there's nothing illegal, or even immoral about this... it's the

illegal, no,  immoral, hmmmm. :-)

 th> epitome of the free market... but the "evidence" of their claims about
 th> their platform being the "Perfect Internet Platform" is strangely
 th> absent, and in fact more and more people are realizing that
 th> Microsoft's platform is never going to be that.

I tend to agree.  I hear as many stories of people migrating _away_ from
NT as those migrating to it.  Personally, I'll use NT for some aspects
of an internal network, and look like having to deploy it on the
Internet (behind some heavy packet filtering, of course! :) ).  And as
for dialups, using NT for those is for the masochists.  I only use Linux
for dialup links and servers myself.  Much less fiddly and more
reliable.

 th> You see, the demands of an Internet-dominated society are going to
 th> change too rapidly for Microsoft to keep up. It's become such a huge
 th> company that it's almost become a beureaucracy unto itself, and like
 th> most big governments that leads to a kind of "slow-motion innovation".
 th> Linux is a fast-moving target for Microsoft too... the face of the OS
 th> can change from day to day, much like the Internet that spawned it.
 th> They might hit the target once in a while, but by the time their
 th> product is ready to compete that target has moved again.

Quite true.

 th> It's not going to take a coalition to beat Microsoft... and it's not
 th> going to take slamming Microsoft in a public forum... it's going to
 th> take a fast-moving startup, or a target that moves too rapidly for
 th> Microsoft to keep up... and I personally believe that the target
 th> already exists... it just needs to gain more momentum, and then handle
 th> that momentum right.

I feel the same about Linux.  It's fast moving, yet based on the best
known and tested OS on the Net - UNIX itself.  Quite a potential for a
solid, functional and progressive Internet platform.

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Gavin Haslett <thumper@brainfart.com>, on Thu, 14 May 1998 12:04:03
-0500, 
>I would tend to agree. The hostility that is evident toward Microsoft
>isn't specifically Bill Gates, it's the whole prospect of another
>AT&T-like monopoly this time over the computer world, and more
>specifically the Internet.
>
>No-one wants to see a monopoly, but Microsoft has almost become just
>that... and though I'm sure reports of Microsoft muscling companies to
>support them and them only are exaggerated, there's certainly a ring of
>truth to many of them. The rise of the Internet is something that's
>really exacerbated this problem. The Internet was founded on the ideals
>of freedom of information and choice... something that a monopoly can't
>hope to aspire to. Microsoft jumped on the Internet bandwagon relatively
>late compared to other companies in the world, but quickly grew to the
>strong position it's in today purely by advertising and claiming how
>their product is so much better than the other product.
>
>Sure there's nothing illegal, or even immoral about this... it's the
>epitome of the free market... but the "evidence" of their claims about
>their platform being the "Perfect Internet Platform" is strangely
>absent, and in fact more and more people are realizing that Microsoft's
>platform is never going to be that.
>
>You see, the demands of an Internet-dominated society are going to
>change too rapidly for Microsoft to keep up. It's become such a huge
>company that it's almost become a beureaucracy unto itself, and like
>most big governments that leads to a kind of "slow-motion innovation".
>Linux is a fast-moving target for Microsoft too... the face of the OS
>can change from day to day, much like the Internet that spawned it. They
>might hit the target once in a while, but by the time their product is
>ready to compete that target has moved again.
>
>It's not going to take a coalition to beat Microsoft... and it's not
>going to take slamming Microsoft in a public forum... it's going to take
>a fast-moving startup, or a target that moves too rapidly for Microsoft
>to keep up... and I personally believe that the target already exists...
>it just needs to gain more momentum, and then handle that momentum
>right.
>
>Rant mode off :)

Wow.  That was inspiring.  Thanks, Gavin.  Let's hope you are right.

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Hallo out there..

> Gavin Haslett <thumper@brainfart.com>, on Thu, 14 May 1998 12:04:03
> >
> >It's not going to take a coalition to beat Microsoft... and it's not
> >going to take slamming Microsoft in a public forum... it's going to take
> >a fast-moving startup, or a target that moves too rapidly for Microsoft
> >to keep up... and I personally believe that the target already exists...
> >it just needs to gain more momentum, and then handle that momentum
> >right.

I like reading flaming postings like these (big shouts for the battle)
at one hand, on the other there's a point (for me) that is by far more
important:
        
       LINUX is fun, and MS (what ever) is not. point.

So I don't care about if MS want to rule the world as long as Linux can
develope independently, everyone who think that MS is the one and only
choice - why not, he'll have to live with it; though I agree that
decreasing freedom on the Internet will lead to decreasing
comunicativity between those who want to push Linux.

My opinion is not to fight against MS, MS has resurces in that belonging
that no other one (take a look at IBM and OS2 Warp) can compete with,
more to protect Linux; and there's one wappon to choose, the wappon that
made Linux what it is today - it's the brainpower and creativity of
hundreds (thousands) of freedomloving people.

so stay creative and there'll be a way...

matthias

It's 23 May 98  05:52,
We'll return to e9217801@stud2.tuwien.ac.at and All's
discussion of KDE applikations

 e9> LINUX is fun, and MS (what ever) is not. point.

True. :-)

 e9> So I don't care about if MS want to rule the world as long as Linux
 e9> can develope independently, everyone who think that MS is the one and
 e9> only choice - why not, he'll have to live with it; though I agree that
 e9> decreasing freedom on the Internet will lead to decreasing
 e9> comunicativity between those who want to push Linux.

Except that if Linux did make some inroads, my life might be easier. :-)
As for MS, if they produced decent software, I wouldn't mind, but the
number of "wierd" and often unsolveable problems I see on Windoze boxes
is really quite scary (I include NT in that count).  Many are cured by
reinstallation (drastic, but effective), and some aren't...  Linux,
OTOH, just purrs along, almost forgotten, like a good server should. :-)
Even dodgy hardware doen't seem to worry it much. :-)

 e9> My opinion is not to fight against MS, MS has resurces in that
 e9> belonging that no other one (take a look at IBM and OS2 Warp) can
 e9> compete with, more to protect Linux; and there's one wappon to choose,
 e9> the wappon that made Linux what it is today - it's the brainpower and
 e9> creativity of hundreds (thousands) of freedomloving people.

True, Linux is what it is because of the contribution of thousands of
people, and its strengths lie in the responsive of the Linux community
to change.  The classic example was when news of the teardrop attack
went over the Net, there was a patch available within a few hours.
That's something no commercial entity could match.

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>True, Linux is what it is because of the contribution of thousands of
>people, and its strengths lie in the responsive of the Linux
community
>to change.  The classic example was when news of the teardrop attack
>went over the Net, there was a patch available within a few hours.
>That's something no commercial entity could match.


What was the 'teardrop attack'?

Newbie to linux, here.
I Will change over soon from my win 95 nightmare {you know the type,
it seems normal until you wake up and realise it was _not_ normal :) }
to linux. I know _literally_nothing about it or any type of 'pooter
programming. A year and a half on win 95 {and 5 cd drives, 3 m/b's, 2
CPU's and a floppy disk drive in a pear tree! *G*} and I can see the
glaring, inadadequate snafu's in it. Situation

Normal

All

Fu**ed

Up!
I am lurking, reading, {hopefully} learning, and occasionally making a
comment or posing a question If I feel it warranted.
    I have even put my 'pooter's basic stats  in my sig file, having
noticed quite a lot of replies asking for the basic setup of the
'pooter/program in question.
I am spending some time putting together a list of terms I have seen
in the newsgroups intending to post tham as questions, some I _think_
I have learned but am not sure, some totally baffle me! They might
even not be subject related, as I glean them from many linux ng's.

    One _possibly_ off topic question: I have been reading these
groups for a few weeks now, and I sometimes find it hard to
distinguish computer code from text or instructions. I run IE4/OutLook
Express and have recently tried Forte' Agent as a supplimentary or
substitute ng browser {or is it reader?}.
    In at least _one_ of these programs I would like to be able to
either highlight text or alter the font of text _within_ my email
response program so that any queries to ng's would read more easily
than I have seen so far. This is in the hope that the reply will be in
the same format, making it easier for me to understand!
    IE: Codetext and Commands would appear different to the body of
the letter such as www.redhat.com does. [just an example!]
Is this possible?
 Would it help with reading these newsgroups? If it would, please
solve it and let me know.
    For whatever reasons, I have decided on RedHat #5 as my next O/S.
I'm also going to keep an eye on the RedHat GNOME project to see what
developes.
    I hope that this group can provide the answers I'm after or any
observations that might help me with the setup that I have at the
moment.
look foreward to hearing from you all {some?}.
felix

As usual, I made a mistake and FORGOT to include my Sig. Here it is
now.
felix
=====================================================
My beast of burden.
Cyric p120
 24MB SIMMS RAM
 1.3GB Voice coil HDD
PCI enhanced IDE&IO controller
KTX  14" SVGA Monitor
 1 MB PCI SVGA video accelerator
20x IDE CD-ROM drive
 Sound Blaster Vibra 16 sound card
Win 95b IE4 browser

 >>> Part 2 of 2...

Red Hat is a good choice for beginners.  It's fairly easy to setup and
comes with a lot of X based tools.

 fe> I hope that this group can provide the answers I'm after or any
 fe> observations that might help me with the setup that I have at the
 fe> moment.
 fe> look foreward to hearing from you all {some?}.
 fe> felix

Good luck and enjoy the adventure ahead. :-)

BTW, don't burn your bridges either.  You may, after all, decide Linux
isn't for you, after you've tried it.  I'd reccommend keeping your
existing Win 95 setup and setting up a dual boot system, so you can
choose to boot either Linux or Win 95.  With Red Hat, it's very easy to
do, the installation will ask you if you want to setup your existing
system to be bootable.  This is easiest if you install Linux on a
separate hard disk, but it is possible to create room on your existing
drive, if it's large enough.  If you're interested, just ask. :-)

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It's 24 May 98  23:58,
We'll return to felix@omen.com.au and All's
discussion of KDE applikations

 fe> My beast of burden.
 fe> Cyric p120
 fe> 24MB SIMMS RAM
 fe> 1.3GB Voice coil HDD
 fe> PCI enhanced IDE&IO controller
 fe> KTX  14" SVGA Monitor
 fe> 1 MB PCI SVGA video accelerator
 fe> 20x IDE CD-ROM drive
 fe> Sound Blaster Vibra 16 sound card
 fe> Win 95b IE4 browser

Linux should sing on this hardware. :-)  I'm yet to try it on the 233
here, but on a P200 at work, it flies.  For some reason, Windows doesn't
seem to load any faster on a faster machine, but with Linux, faster
processors definitely feel faster.  :-)  The P200 at work takes about 40
seconds to be up and running from switch on.  And another 20 seconds if
I load X for a graphical desktop.

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 >>> Part 1 of 2...

It's 24 May 98  23:43,
We'll return to felix@omen.com.au and All's
discussion of KDE applikations

 >to change.  The classic example was when news of the teardrop attack
 >went over the Net, there was a patch available within a few hours.
 >That's something no commercial entity could match.

 fe> What was the 'teardrop attack'?

The teardrop attack was one where a deliberately corrupted TCP/IP packet
could bring down many different OS's.  Of those affected, Linux would
clearly have been the first fixed.  The patch was distributed
(reportedly) within 2 hours and later became incorporated into kernel
2.0.32 as part of the standard networking code.

 fe> Newbie to linux, here.
 fe> I Will change over soon from my win 95 nightmare {you know the type,

Yes, just had another pc at work suffer a seemingingly terminal and very
wierd Win 95 problem. :-(

 fe> it seems normal until you wake up and realise it was _not_ normal :) }
 fe> to linux. I know _literally_nothing about it or any type of 'pooter
 fe> programming. A year and a half on win 95 {and 5 cd drives, 3 m/b's, 2

You don't need to know much about programming to start using Linux.
Modern distributions, especially Red Hat, have easy to folow
installation programs and X based configuration tools, so you can work
with a GUI until you feel comfortable delving into the innards of the
system (as you learn at your own pace).

 fe> CPU's and a floppy disk drive in a pear tree! *G*} and I can see the
 fe> glaring, inadadequate snafu's in it. Situation

:-)

 fe> I am lurking, reading, {hopefully} learning, and occasionally making a
 fe> comment or posing a question If I feel it warranted.
 fe> I have even put my 'pooter's basic stats  in my sig file, having
 fe> noticed quite a lot of replies asking for the basic setup of the
 fe> 'pooter/program in question.

That's quite handy.  Incodentally, if you're running anything better
than a 386 with 4 meg, and an 80 MB HDD, you'll be able to run Linux, no
problems. :-)  (actually, I'm running it on a 386 with 8 meg on the PC
next to me, which is holding the connection open :) ).

 fe> I am spending some time putting together a list of terms I have seen
 fe> in the newsgroups intending to post tham as questions, some I _think_
 fe> I have learned but am not sure, some totally baffle me! They might
 fe> even not be subject related, as I glean them from many linux ng's.

I'd reccommend a visit to www.linux.org, and read the many HowTos under
the Linux Documentation Project.  Also, might be worth buying a book on
Linux.  There are many titles published.  Have a look at your local
computer bookstore.

 fe> One _possibly_ off topic question: I have been reading these
 fe> groups for a few weeks now, and I sometimes find it hard to
 fe> distinguish computer code from text or instructions. I run IE4/OutLook
 fe> Express and have recently tried Forte' Agent as a supplimentary or
 fe> substitute ng browser {or is it reader?}.
 fe> In at least _one_ of these programs I would like to be able to
 fe> either highlight text or alter the font of text _within_ my email
 fe> response program so that any queries to ng's would read more easily
 fe> than I have seen so far. This is in the hope that the reply will be in
 fe> the same format, making it easier for me to understand!
 fe> IE: Codetext and Commands would appear different to the body of
 fe> the letter such as www.redhat.com does. [just an example!]
 fe> Is this possible?
 fe> Would it help with reading these newsgroups? If it would, please
 fe> solve it and let me know.

Yes and no.  Yes, some news readers may support pretty fonts, but you'll
be guaranteed to p*ss most of the readers off, especially Linux users,
as these programs achieve the fonts by appending ugly attachments or HML
code at the end of the message which comes out as gibberish to most
readers.  You can achieve the desired effect by carefully paragraphing
your text like this:

The other night, I setup a tunnel between my network and another Linux
user's network.  The first step is to setup the tunnel interface:

ifconfig tunl0 192.168.1.1

And so on.... (this was an example, although I did do this the other
night for an experiment :) ).  See how the command stands out, without
special fonts?  (in fact, I'm writing this under DOS, so I just have the
standard monospaced font :) ).

 fe> For whatever reasons, I have decided on RedHat #5 as my next O/S.
 fe> I'm also going to keep an eye on the RedHat GNOME project to see what
 fe> developes.


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In article <3e0_9805260701@freeway.DIALix.oz.au>, tlang@freeway.DIALix.oz.au (Tony Langdon) writes:
> 
> I'd reccommend a visit to www.linux.org, and read the many HowTos under
> the Linux Documentation Project.  Also, might be worth buying a book on
> Linux.  There are many titles published.  Have a look at your local
> computer bookstore.

including some with Redhat 5.0 attached. True, 5.1 will be out on CD
within the week, but 5.0 is still good value (especially with the
book). I'm still running 4.2 on one machine (which is only recently
upgraded from 3.0.3).


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