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Re: Harry Wu Arrested! Amnesty International Call for Support!

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From: BO FANG
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 1995 00:00
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In article <DBsBqC.12p@murdoch.acc.Virginia.EDU>
blr2w@mamba.cs.Virginia.EDU (Brian L. Robinson) writes:
 
>
>In article <3u1n6q$icj@newsbf02.news.aol.com> scottyang@aol.com (Scott Yang) writes:
>>He knowingly broke Chinese laws by entering illegally (doesn't matter what
>>one think of the Chinese gov't).  He knew the consequences and the risk.
>>Now he needs to live up to him.  If he has any integrity, he will live up
>>to the consequences.  Sure, he's no William Wallace, but should at least
>>take responsiblity for his actions and not wait for Amnesity Int'l and
>>CLinton to save his hide.  He want's to be a hero, he'll have suffer or
>>even die like one.
>>
>>-Scott
>
>There seems to be an awful lot of criticism or apathy for Harry Wu.
>There is of course the issue of whether things he has complained about
>are really human rights violations.  I for one don't see anything
>particularly wrong with prison labor camps or using executed prisoners
>as organ donors (provided of course that the labor is done in humane
>conditions and the prisoners are executed for their crime, not for
>their organs).
>
>But most people haven't taken issue with that, so let's assume for a
>moment that he does have a legitimate beef with the Chinese
>government.  Shouldn't he have our support simply on moral grounds?
>Sure he broke a few laws, but those laws were being used to protect a
>brutal system.  Nelson Mandela broke a few laws, but we wanted him
>freed.
>
>I think a question we need to consider with Harry Wu before we start
>comparing him to other people who have committed crimes abroad, is who
>exactly was being hurt by his crime, and how just the law he broke
>was.  For example, the kid in Singapore was actually causing damage.
>Spray painting causes property damage and hurts people.
>
>Or you might consider someone drinking in Iran.  We may not think
>their hurting anyone, but their government thinks they are, and we can
>agree that their not _helping_ anyone.
>
>Harry Wu was trying to change a system that our country's foreign
>policy says must be changed.  He wasn't hurting anyone, and he was
>trying to help people.  Furthermore he is an American citizen.  We
>certainly should make efforts to have him released.  And it might be a
>good idea after this blows over for the President on whether or not we
>will provide such help in the future, if we think it's necessary to
>dissuade other lone ranger types who don't have either permission or
>mission from our government.
>--
 
I agree with you. What Hu did is just to tell the truth.
 
 
>blr2w@Virginia.EDU ***** "Individuals who have been wronged by unlawful
>discrimination should be made whole; but under our Constitution there can be
>no such thing as either a creditor or debtor race...In the eyes of
>government, we are just one race here.  It is American." - Justice Scalia
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From: BF0698A@american.edu (BO FANG)
Subject: Re: Harry Wu Arrested! Amnesty International Call for Support!
Date: 1995/07/17
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