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Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:17
I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:17
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...and I can help you with the italian language if you help me with the english (american) language... :)
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 15:07
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In article <M3n9c.93578$Kc3.3039615@twister2.libero.it>, "\(�`�.�Massy�.���\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> says... > ...and I can help you with the italian language if you help me with the > english (american) language... :) I'm an American from Boston, Massachusetts currently living in New York City. I've been studying Italian for a while now, and I can read it pretty well, but when it comes to expressing myself in Italian, I have a tough time. I'm willing to exchange correspondence in Italian/English, so we both can learn. Maybe this forum isn't the best for that, but if you're interested we could e-mail. I have a good sense of humor, and am pretty well-versed in formal and informal modes of American English. Lemme know, 'fyer innerested, 'kay? (informal) Let me know if you (a)re interested, okay? Joe W. Di Domenico (Giuseppe Guglielmo Di Domenico) (Beppo) -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: joscurtin
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:51
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I'm an American from New York currently living in Massachusetts. I spent six years in Italy, and managed to pick up a little Italian. Joe, I don't know if you have broadband or dial-up Internet access, but if you have broadband, RAI has thousands of streaming video resources at www.raiclick.it, including complete coverage of the San Remo music festival, music programs, films, biographies, cartoons, etc. Raiclick is a sort of archive of most of the programs originally broadcast in Italy on the three RAI networks. Right now it is free, and has been for at least a year, but I imagine they will be charging for it eventually. The picture quality is "almost" as good as TV, with a transmission rate of 300kbps. I usually watch one of the daily half-hour news broadcasts, which are usually available on-line within a few hours of their live broadcast in Italy. There are three "Telegiornali": TG1, TG2, and TG3, and each one has three daily broadcasts archived on raiclick, and all nine are available daily. There are also a lot of insteresting documentaries, which are usually available within a few days of their original broadcast. Raiclick requires the Real player. When you start playing a program, you have 3 options: 1) You can watch it in the default small-screen format, which I never do. 2) You can click on "Full Screen" and watch it in Full-Screen mode, which is what I usually do. 3) You can right click on the screen, once a program starts playing, and play it within the Real One player. The advantage of this option is that if you are watching a 2-hour movie, and don't have time to watch the whole thing, you can pause the presentation, and save the clip as a "favorite", and you have the option to set it to start up at the time where you left off, so when you want to go back an continue watching the movie, you just click on the "favorite" you saved, and it starts up right where you left off. I also find invaluable the dictionaries at http://www.garzantilinguistica.it/ and http://www.sapere.it/gr/DictionarySearchServlet?DS_action=Init I wish they had all these resources when I was studying Italian! Massy, I hope you find this newsgroup useful for what you want. I find it annoying when I see "ROTFL", "IMHO", etc. on ITALIAN newsgroups! And what's with the "ke" instead of "che", "nn" instead of "non", "ki" instead of "chi"? I guess it must be "cool". You might already have these, but just in case, here are a few useful resources. http://dictionary.cambridge.org/ http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/ Unfortunately, there is no country in the world which provides the volume of programming, quality and variety of content, and transmission quality of streaming resources on the Internet as RAI does with raiclick. I have to take my hat off to RAI, as a perpetual student of things Italian. The BBC has a streaming service currently available only in the UK, but they will most certainly charge for it when they make it available outside the UK You might find something worthwhile in English here: http://wwitv.com/portal.htm?http://wwitv.com/broadband/index.html. Joe from Massachusetts "Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> wrote in message news:MPG.1ad0b47d680a07eb989699@news.verizon.net... > In article <M3n9c.93578$Kc3.3039615@twister2.libero.it>, > "\(�`�.�Massy�.���\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> says... > > > ...and I can help you with the italian language if you help me with the > > english (american) language... :) > > > I'm an American from Boston, Massachusetts currently living in New York > City. I've been studying Italian for a while now, and I can read it > pretty well, but when it comes to expressing myself in Italian, I have a > tough time. > > I'm willing to exchange correspondence in Italian/English, so we both can > learn. Maybe this forum isn't the best for that, but if you're interested > we could e-mail. > > I have a good sense of humor, and am pretty well-versed in formal and > informal modes of American English. > > Lemme know, 'fyer innerested, 'kay? (informal) > Let me know if you (a)re interested, okay? > > Joe W. Di Domenico > (Giuseppe Guglielmo Di Domenico) > (Beppo) > > -- > Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:59
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 19:59
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In article <7hE9c.19327$oH2.13893@lakeread01>, joscurtin says... > I'm an American from New York currently living in Massachusetts. > I spent six years in Italy, and managed to pick up a little Italian. LOL. (With apologies for the acronym!) Joe, I noticed your posts in other ng's and thought of saying "hi", as I'm from MA originally and now live in NY. I got a kick out of your background, the reverse of mine, with the exception of your six years in bella Italia. I've only been there a couple of times, but will manage to go back, for sure. Thanks for the resources you listed. I will definitely investigate them. (I have DSL, by the way.) I also find the "abbreviations" or non-standard spellings of the Italian words a bit disconcerting, but I guess it's in the same flavor as the IMHO and BTW etc.: a shortcut way of communicating. (You used to live in New York; you MUST know how important it is to do everything FAST! :-) Anyway, (Massy, you, too) maybe this can become a forum for exchange of Italian/English. I've read lots in Italian, but am really interested in learning to communicate like an Italian from Italy: not a literary figure. Ciao for now. -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply. > > Joe, I don't know if you have broadband or dial-up Internet access, but if > you have broadband, RAI has thousands of streaming video resources at > www.raiclick.it, including complete coverage of the San Remo music festival, > music programs, films, biographies, cartoons, etc. Raiclick is a sort of > archive of most of the programs originally broadcast in Italy on the three > RAI networks. Right now it is free, and has been for at least a year, but I > imagine they will be charging for it eventually. The picture quality is > "almost" as good as TV, with a transmission rate of 300kbps. I usually watch > one of the daily half-hour news broadcasts, which are usually available > on-line within a few hours of their live broadcast in Italy. There are three > "Telegiornali": TG1, TG2, and TG3, and each one has three daily broadcasts > archived on raiclick, and all nine are available daily. There are also a lot > of insteresting documentaries, which are usually available within a few days > of their original broadcast. Raiclick requires the Real player. When you > start playing a program, you have 3 options: 1) You can watch it in the > default small-screen format, which I never do. 2) You can click on "Full > Screen" and watch it in Full-Screen mode, which is what I usually do. 3) You > can right click on the screen, once a program starts playing, and play it > within the Real One player. The advantage of this option is that if you are > watching a 2-hour movie, and don't have time to watch the whole thing, you > can pause the presentation, and save the clip as a "favorite", and you have > the option to set it to start up at the time where you left off, so when you > want to go back an continue watching the movie, you just click on the > "favorite" you saved, and it starts up right where you left off. > I also find invaluable the dictionaries at > http://www.garzantilinguistica.it/ and > http://www.sapere.it/gr/DictionarySearchServlet?DS_action=Init > I wish they had all these resources when I was studying Italian! > > Massy, I hope you find this newsgroup useful for what you want. > I find it annoying when I see "ROTFL", "IMHO", etc. on ITALIAN newsgroups! > And what's with the "ke" instead of "che", "nn" instead of "non", "ki" > instead of "chi"? > I guess it must be "cool". > You might already have these, but just in case, here are a few useful > resources. > http://dictionary.cambridge.org/ > http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/ > Unfortunately, there is no country in the world which provides the volume of > programming, quality and variety of content, and transmission quality of > streaming resources on the Internet as RAI does with raiclick. > I have to take my hat off to RAI, as a perpetual student of things Italian. > The BBC has a streaming service currently available only in the UK, but they > will most certainly charge for it when they make it available outside the UK > You might find something worthwhile in English here: > http://wwitv.com/portal.htm?http://wwitv.com/broadband/index.html. >
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:33
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on 17:07, domenica 28 marzo 2004 Joey DoWop Dee wrote: > Joe W. Di Domenico > (Giuseppe Guglielmo Di Domenico) Joe William Of Sunday ahahah! :-) > (Beppo) Ciao Beppo :-) -- oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:37
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on 19:51, domenica 28 marzo 2004 joscurtin wrote: > Massy, I hope you find this newsgroup useful for what you > want. I find it annoying when I see "ROTFL", "IMHO", etc. > on ITALIAN newsgroups! Anch'io li trovo fastidiosi, ma � difficile usare dei sostituti che siano comprensibili a tutti. Io uso SM (Secondo Me) invece di IMHO. > And what's with the "ke" instead of > "che", "nn" instead of "non", "ki" instead of "chi"? > I guess it must be "cool". Questo uso credo che venga dai messaggini SMS che si scambia per telefono cellulare, l� la brevit� delle parole � d'obbligo e si risparmia sulle battute dei tasti (K 2 colpi, CH 3+2, ecc.) -- oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 20:39
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on 21:59, domenica 28 marzo 2004 Joey DoWop Dee wrote: > Anyway, (Massy, you, too) maybe this can become a forum > for exchange of Italian/English. I've read lots in > Italian, but am really interested in learning to > communicate like an Italian from Italy: not a literary > figure. Ci sono anche altri NG interessanti, p.es. it.cultura.linguistica[.italiano] -- oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 21:14
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In article <NEG9c.114448$z23.4860360@news3.tin.it>, ADPUF says... > on 17:07, domenica 28 marzo 2004 Joey DoWop Dee wrote: > > > Joe W. Di Domenico > > (Giuseppe Guglielmo Di Domenico) > > Joe William Of Sunday > > ahahah! :-) > > > > (Beppo) > > > Ciao Beppo > :-) > Ciao, Addy. Dove abiti? Qui, a New York City, si riconosce il cognome "DiDomenico" come siciliano, e non se ne scherza! ;-) -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 13:40
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on 23:14, domenica 28 marzo 2004 Joey DoWop Dee wrote: >> > Joe W. Di Domenico >> > (Giuseppe Guglielmo Di Domenico) >> >> Joe William Of Sunday >> >> ahahah! :-) >> >> >> > (Beppo) >> >> >> Ciao Beppo >> :-) >> > > Ciao, Addy. Dove abiti? Qui, a New York City, si riconosce > il cognome "DiDomenico" come siciliano, e non se ne > scherza! ;-) Io sono friulano, angolo NE dell'Italia, lontanissimo dalla Sicilia, spero che non arrivi da laggi� qualcuno a rimproverarmi dello scherzo ;-) -- oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:43
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In article <LHV9c.116874$z23.4970193@news3.tin.it>, ADPUF says... > Io sono friulano, angolo NE dell'Italia, lontanissimo dalla > Sicilia, spero che non arrivi da laggi� qualcuno a > rimproverarmi dello scherzo ;-) Non preoccuparti. Non ne conosco i miei parenti siciliani. :-( E poi, se esistono non avranno i soldi per viaggare cosi' lontano. Anzi, mi hai fatto ridere. Ma com'e' che tu non sai che la parola giusta e' "domenicA"?? ahahah y'self! 8-) ps: mi piace tutta l'italia, la sicilia inclusa, dal NE al SO. Tornero' un giorno. -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:10
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio news:MPG.1ad0b47d680a07eb989699@news.verizon.net... > In article <M3n9c.93578$Kc3.3039615@twister2.libero.it>, Excuse-me for the delay of my reply, but i'm working in this days. And excuse-me for the errors that I'll make writing in english. Unfortunately I know the english not much. > I'm an American from Boston, Massachusetts currently living in New York > City. I've been studying Italian for a while now, and I can read it > pretty well, but when it comes to expressing myself in Italian, I have a > tough time. tough time? brutto momento? difficolt�? > > I'm willing to exchange correspondence in Italian/English, so we both can > learn. Maybe this forum isn't the best for that, but if you're interested > we could e-mail. okay! > > I have a good sense of humor, and am pretty well-versed in formal and > informal modes of American English. > > Lemme know, 'fyer innerested, 'kay? (informal) > Let me know if you (a)re interested, okay? I'm very interested. Thank God you have write this phrase in formal modes, otherwise I could have not understand (specially 'fyer)! :))) I begin with a question! :) There are some words that appear me identicals when its are pronounced. Es. who and woo; star and start; ecc. ecc.! I would like know if you understand the differences from the pronunciation or if you understand only from the sense of the discourse. I hope that you have understand somethings of my post! :)) I'll am grateful to you if you'll correct my errors of this post! Thanks!
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:16
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piacere "joscurtin" <joscurtin@cox.net> ha scritto nel messaggio news:7hE9c.19327$oH2.13893@lakeread01... > I'm an American from New York currently living in Massachusetts. > I spent six years in Italy, and managed to pick up a little Italian. Pleased to meet you! > > Massy, I hope you find this newsgroup useful for what you want. I hope too. :) > I find it annoying when I see "ROTFL", "IMHO", etc. on ITALIAN newsgroups! > And what's with the "ke" instead of "che", "nn" instead of "non", "ki" > instead of "chi"? > I guess it must be "cool". I don't understand the last phrase (I guess it must be "cool" -> Io credo che dovrebbe essere ????.) > You might already have these, but just in case, here are a few useful > resources. > http://dictionary.cambridge.org/ > http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/ I'll see this, also if I think that this is too difficult for me. > You might find something worthwhile in English here: > http://wwitv.com/portal.htm?http://wwitv.com/broadband/index.html. > I'll see also this! Thanks!
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:23
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on 20:16, marted� 30 marzo 2004 \(�`�.�Massy�.���\) wrote: >> I find it annoying when I see "ROTFL", "IMHO", etc. on >> ITALIAN newsgroups! And what's with the "ke" instead of >> "che", "nn" instead of "non", "ki" instead of "chi"? >> I guess it must be "cool". > > I don't understand the last phrase (I guess it must be > "cool" -> Io credo che dovrebbe essere ????.) figo (?) -- oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 18:27
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on 20:10, marted� 30 marzo 2004 \(�`�.�Massy�.���\) wrote: > I begin with a question! :) > There are some words that appear me identicals when its > are pronounced. Es. who and woo; star and start; ecc. > ecc.! I would like know if you understand the differences > from the pronunciation or if you understand only from the > sense of the discourse. Write right! What do you write when you hear "right" ? -- oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.?Massy?.�?�)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:37
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"ADPUF" <flyhunter@mosq.it> ha scritto nel messaggio news:d_iac.123009$z23.5231515@news3.tin.it... > on 20:10, marted� 30 marzo 2004 \(�`�.�Massy�.���\) wrote: > > > I begin with a question! :) > > There are some words that appear me identicals when its > > are pronounced. Es. who and woo; star and start; ecc. > > ecc.! I would like know if you understand the differences > > from the pronunciation or if you understand only from the > > sense of the discourse. > > > Write right! > What do you write when you hear "right" ? ? Scrivi giusto! ? ? Cosa scrivi quando tu senti "right"? ? Cosa significa? Scusa ma sono mooolto principiante...! :))))
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:44
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In article <tQiac.101893$FJ6.3744280@twister1.libero.it>, "\(�`�.�Massy�.���\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> says... > Pleased to meet you! ... > > I guess it must be "cool". > > I don't understand the last phrase (I guess it must be "cool" -> Io credo > che dovrebbe essere ????.) > AmEng Joe here. Ne siamo due: Joe di Massachusetts e Joe di New York, (io. AmEng Joe.) Mi indico cosi' perche' sto sempre parlando dell'inglese americano, che, come sappiamo, e' diverso di quello -- boh -- inglese! :0) "Cool" e' un po difficile a tradurre, credo. Invece di significare "freschetto", (prima significanza), "cool" e anche un termine che veniva dalle '40 o '50 (possibilmente prima) che significa "di moda" o "soave" magari con aria un po' "sotterranea", si mi capisci. Jazz Musicians sono "cool." I Beatnik erano molto "cool." Se c'e' qualchecosa che tutti cercano, (specialmente i giovani), quella cosa e' "cool." --I just got a new car! The convertible I always wanted! --Cool! --We're having a party tomorrow. Can you come? Luisa will be there. --Cool! Parola da giovani, per lo piu'. Si scrive oggi anche come "kewl," per essere -- em -- "cooler." 8-) -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:45
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:45
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In article <cWiac.156234$O31.6532865@news4.tin.it>, ADPUF says... > on 20:16, marted� 30 marzo 2004 \(�`�.�Massy�.���\) wrote: > > >> I find it annoying when I see "ROTFL", "IMHO", etc. on > >> ITALIAN newsgroups! And what's with the "ke" instead of > >> "che", "nn" instead of "non", "ki" instead of "chi"? > >> I guess it must be "cool". > > > > I don't understand the last phrase (I guess it must be > > "cool" -> Io credo che dovrebbe essere ????.) > > > figo (?) > > > E "figo" non lo trovo nel mio Piccolo Palazzi. :-) Mi spiega un po'? Grazie. -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:55
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio news:MPG.1ad39898947c52ee9896b4@news.verizon.net... > In article <cWiac.156234$O31.6532865@news4.tin.it>, ADPUF says... > E "figo" non lo trovo nel mio Piccolo Palazzi. :-) > Mi spiega un po'? Grazie. Figo = fico = (gergale) che (o chi) incontra pienamente il gusto del momento, perch� piacevole fisicamente, alla moda, stravagante e simili (da Zanichelli)
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:12
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio news:MPG.1ad3984eab1053ae9896b3@news.verizon.net... > In article <tQiac.101893$FJ6.3744280@twister1.libero.it>, I try to correct you! > > AmEng Joe here. Ne siamo due "Siamo in due" >: Joe di "del" Massachusetts e Joe di New York, > (io. AmEng Joe.) (io sono AmEng Joe.) > Mi indico Isn't wrong but it have not a good sound! :) cosi' perche' sto sempre parlando dell'inglese > americano, che, come sappiamo, e' diverso di quello "da quello" -- boh -- inglese! > :0) > > "Cool" e' un po difficile a tradurre, "da tradurre" credo. Invece di significare > "freschetto", (prima significanza) "(primo significato)" , "cool" e "�" anche un termine che veniva > dalle '40 o '50 >(possibilmente prima) che significa "di moda" o "soave" i think you would tell "che veniva usato negli anni 40 o '50 (probabilmente prima)". Apropos what is the difference between "tell" and "say"? > magari con aria un po' "sotterranea", si mi capisci. "se mi capisci" >Jazz Musicians sono > "cool." I Beatnik erano molto "cool." Se c'e' qualchecosa "qualche cosa" "qualcosa" have a better sound... > che tutti > cercano, (specialmente i giovani), quella cosa e' "cool." Alla moda? Essentially it's "figo" :)))) > > --I just got a new car! The convertible I always wanted! > --Cool! > > --We're having a party tomorrow. Can you come? Luisa will be there. > --Cool! Yeah, it's exactly "figo" :)))) > > Parola da giovani, per lo piu'. Si scrive oggi anche come "kewl," per > essere -- em -- "cooler." 8-)
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:12
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In article <pKiac.101882$FJ6.3744010@twister1.libero.it>, "\(�`�.�Massy�.���\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> says... > "Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:MPG.1ad0b47d680a07eb989699@news.verizon.net... > > In article <M3n9c.93578$Kc3.3039615@twister2.libero.it>, AmEng Joe here. Ok, se non ti dispiace posso corrigere un po' quel che scrivi, e tu quel che scrivo io in italiano. > Excuse-me for the delay of my reply, but i'm working in this days. And > excuse-me for the errors that I'll make writing in english. Unfortunately I > know the english not much. Excuse me (niente "hyphen") for the delay of my reply, but I'm working *these* days. (non "in") And excuse me for the errors ["that" e' ok ma non e' necessario] *I* make [si capisce che parli del futuro] writing (in) English. Unfortunately, I don't know much English. (no "the") Cosi': Excuse me for the delay of my reply, but I'm working these days. And excuse me for the errors I make writing (in) English. Unfortunately, I don't know much English. > tough time? brutto momento? difficolt�? difficolta', giusto. > > Lemme know, 'fyer innerested, 'kay? (informal) > > Let me know if you (a)re interested, okay? > I'm very interested. Thank God you have write this phrase in formal modes, > otherwise I could have not understand (specially 'fyer)! :))) I'm very interested. Thank God you *wrote* this phrase (sentence) in formal *mode*, (o "formally", "correctly") otherwise I could not have *understood*. e direi (e scriverei) io: ...otherwise I *wouldn't* have understood. (ma anche vale "couldn't") Forse non e' esatto scrivere la lingua come si pronuncia, ma per me, intendere l'italiano e' difficile perche' quando si parla, non si pronuncia ogni lettera delle parole, (come in tutte le lingue). Per questo provero' di includere e la frase come scritta e come detta. > I begin with a question! :) > There are some words that appear me identicals when its are pronounced. Es. > who and woo; star and start; ecc. ecc.! I would like know if you understand > the differences from the pronunciation or if you understand only from the > sense of the discourse. Prima di rispondere alla domanda: There are some words that appear (o "seem" -- piu' commune) *identical to me* when *they* are pronounced. Es.... I would like *to* know if you understand the *difference* from the pronunciation or if you understand only from the sense of the discourse. There are some words that seem identical to me when they are pronounced. Es.... I would like to know if you understand the difference from the pronunciation or if you understand only from the sense of the discourse. e direi (e scriverei) io: ...when they're pronounced > I hope that you have understand somethings of my post! :)) I'll am grateful > to you if you'll correct my errors of this post! "I hope you understood something of my post! I'd be grateful to you if you would correct my errors." E' un piacere per me. Sempre voglio spiegare la differenza fra l'usanza comune e quella piu' formale, o scritta or pronunciata. > Thanks! non c'e' di che! -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 20:53
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio news:MPG.1ad39ed64e01eb059896b5@news.verizon.net... > In article <pKiac.101882$FJ6.3744010@twister1.libero.it>, > Ok, se non ti dispiace posso corrigere "correggere" un po' quel che scrivi, e tu quel > che scrivo io in italiano. Thank you very much! I correct you! > > > Excuse-me for the delay of my reply, but i'm working in this days. And > > excuse-me for the errors that I'll make writing in english. Unfortunately I > > know the english not much. > > Excuse me (niente "hyphen") for the delay of my reply, but I'm working > *these* days. (non "in") And excuse me for the errors ["that" e' ok ma > non e' necessario] *I* make [si capisce che parli del futuro] writing > (in) English. Unfortunately, I don't know much English. (no "the") Why the "in" is between parenthesis, 'cause it's optional? > e direi (e scriverei) io: ...otherwise I *wouldn't* have understood. (ma > anche vale "couldn't") But "wouldn't" don't signify "non volere"? > > Forse non e' esatto scrivere la lingua come si pronuncia, ma per me, > intendere l'italiano e' difficile perche' quando si parla, non si > pronuncia ogni lettera delle parole, (come in tutte le lingue). When I speak italian I pronounce all the letter! I think it depend ??from?? the different spelling! I write in italian just like I pronounce!!! At 100%! Per > questo provero' di includere e la frase come scritta e come detta. "prover� ad includere la frase come � scritta e come � detta (pronunciata)." But I haven't understood fine what you mean! > > > I begin with a question! :) > > There are some words that appear me identicals when its are pronounced. Es. > > who and woo; star and start; ecc. ecc.! I would like know if you understand > > the differences from the pronunciation or if you understand only from the > > sense of the discourse. > > Prima di rispondere alla domanda: > There are some words that appear (o "seem" -- piu' commune) "(pi� comune)" *identical to > me* when *they* are pronounced. Es.... I would like *to* know if you > understand the *difference* from the pronunciation or if you understand > only from the sense of the discourse. > > There are some words that seem identical to me when they are pronounced. > Es.... I would like to know if you understand the difference from the > pronunciation or if you understand only from the sense of the discourse. > > e direi (e scriverei) io: ...when they're pronounced At end you haven't answer to my question!!! :))) > > > I hope that you have understand somethings of my post! :)) I'll am grateful > > to you if you'll correct my errors of this post! > > "I hope you understood something of my post! I'd be grateful to you if > you would correct my errors." > > E' un piacere per me. Sempre voglio spiegare la differenza fra l'usanza > comune e quella piu' formale, o scritta or pronunciata. > > > Thanks! > > non c'e' di che! or "You are welcome", right? :)
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:05
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In article <p0kac.102089$FJ6.3748642@twister1.libero.it>, "\(�`�.?Massy?.�?�\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> says... > "ADPUF" <flyhunter@mosq.it> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:d_iac.123009$z23.5231515@news3.tin.it... > > on 20:10, marted� 30 marzo 2004 \(�`�.�Massy�.���\) wrote: > > > > > I begin with a question! :) > > > There are some words that appear me identicals when its > > > are pronounced. Es. who and woo; star and start; ecc. > > > ecc.! I would like know if you understand the differences > > > from the pronunciation or if you understand only from the > > > sense of the discourse. > > > > > > Write right! > > What do you write when you hear "right" ? > > ? Scrivi giusto! ? > ? Cosa scrivi quando tu senti "right"? ? > Cosa significa? > Scusa ma sono mooolto principiante...! :)))) > > Scusa. Ho dimenticato di rispondere a questa domanda. Il significato viene dal contesto, semplicemente. Se tu mi dici "write" solamenta quella, in non so se vuoi dire Giusto o Scrivi o Destra o Rito! Se dici "Write to me" io intendo "scrivimi." Se dici "That looks right to me" intendo "giusto." Se cerchi il bar e ti dicono "It's on the right" intendi "alla destra." L'altro, (Rite=Rito) e' meno comune. Dimentichiamolo. C'e' anche "Left", che puo' significare "la sinistra" o "abbandonato" o "fuggito." Al soggetto di "asking directions" (com'e' in italiano?), c'e' questo "pun": If you go right, you're left; if you go left, you're right. Se vai alla destra, sara' abbandonato; se vai alla sinistra, [sara' giusto.] -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 21:22
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In article <47lac.99015$Kc3.3216968@twister2.libero.it>, "\(�`�.�Massy�.���\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> says... > Subject: Re: I'm italian... > From: "\(�`�.�Massy�.���\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> > Newsgroups: cornell.talk.italian > > > "Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:MPG.1ad39ed64e01eb059896b5@news.verizon.net... > > In article <pKiac.101882$FJ6.3744010@twister1.libero.it>, > > Ok, se non ti dispiace posso corrigere > > "correggere" > > un po' quel che scrivi, e tu quel > > che scrivo io in italiano. > > Thank you very much! I correct you! E grazie a te. > > writing > > (in) English. Unfortunately, I don't know much English. (no "the") > > Why the "in" is between parenthesis, 'cause it's optional? Yes, it's optional in this case. > > e direi (e scriverei) io: ...otherwise I *wouldn't* have understood. (ma > > anche vale "couldn't") > > But "wouldn't" don't signify "non volere"? I think maybe that's a British thing. In the US "I would" = simple conditional "I would go if I had the money." "Andrei se tenessi i soldi." (Giusto, l'italiano?) Ma ascolta, "couldn't" non e' sbagliata. > > > > Forse non e' esatto scrivere la lingua come si pronuncia, ma per me, > > intendere l'italiano e' difficile perche' quando si parla, non si > > pronuncia ogni lettera delle parole, (come in tutte le lingue). > > When I speak italian I pronounce all the letter! I think it depend ??from?? > the different spelling! I write in italian just like I pronounce!!! At 100%! "depends on" Ma: You get a gold star! You must be the only one who pronounces every letter! (Not "all the letter") 8-) My first day in Italy, al Lago di Como, volevo provare a capire la gente di Bellagio. Niente parola! (E non parlavano ne' greco ne' tedescho ne' turco: era l'italiano della regione.) Big problem with AmEng: everyone drops letters, sometimes whole syllables. > Per > > questo provero' di includere e la frase come scritta e come detta. > > "prover� ad includere la frase come � scritta e come � detta (pronunciata)." > But I haven't understood fine what you mean! So that's why I'll try to write the phrase as it's written and also try to indicate the pronunciation in normal speech. If you find that too difficult, I won't do it. -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 03:20
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio
> Il significato viene dal contesto, semplicemente. Se tu mi dici "write"
> solamenta quella, in non so se vuoi dire Giusto o Scrivi o Destra o Rito!
>
> Se dici "Write to me" io intendo "scrivimi."
> Se dici "That looks right to me" intendo "giusto."
> Se cerchi il bar e ti dicono "It's on the right" intendi "alla destra."
> L'altro, (Rite=Rito) e' meno comune. Dimentichiamolo.
In italian not exists words write different that "si" (com'� il si
riflessivo in inglese? ("on" in French)) read in the same mode. (this phrase
is all wrong, I think :)) )
>
> C'e' anche "Left", che puo' significare "la sinistra" o "abbandonato" o
> "fuggito."
> Al soggetto di "asking directions" (com'e' in italiano?),
Boh! "domandando direzioni"? :)))
c'e' questo
> "pun":
"pun"="gioco di parole"
>
> If you go right, you're left; if you go left, you're right.
> Se vai alla destra, sara' abbandonato; se vai alla sinistra, [sara'
> giusto.]
And for my examples? "who" and "woo" have the same sound? And "star" and
"start"?
I don't undestand even the difference between "forty" and "fourteen" if its
are proununced fast by an american! :)
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 03:47
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio > > "Joey DoWop Dee" > > But "wouldn't" don't signify "non volere"? > > I think maybe that's a British thing. In the US "I would" = simple > conditional "I would go if I had the money." "Andrei se tenessi i soldi." > (Giusto, l'italiano?) No! :) It's "Andrei se avessi i soldi" However I have understood, now! > Ma: You get a gold star! You must be the only one who pronounces every > letter! (Not "all the letter") 8-) My first day in Italy, al Lago di > Como, volevo provare a capire la gente di Bellagio. Niente parola! What you want say with "Niente parola" :)) (E non > parlavano ne' greco ne' tedescho tedesco ne' turco: era l'italiano della > regione.) Ok you be right! But we mean two things differents! You mean the dialect, on the contrary I mean the italian spoke perfectly and the english spoke perfectly! > > Big problem with AmEng: everyone drops letters, sometimes whole > syllables. Yes, but also if you speack a perfect english you don't proununce every letters (it's a rule! Example: bridge=brig, wedge=ueg, hedge=heg -> in all these cases you don't proununce the "d" and the "e"). In fact there are some words write different that you read at same way! > > > Per > > > questo provero' di includere e la frase come scritta e come detta. > > > > "prover� ad includere la frase come � scritta e come � detta (pronunciata)." > > But I haven't understood fine what you mean! > > So that's why I'll try to write the phrase as it's written and also try > to indicate the pronunciation in normal speech. If you find that too > difficult, I won't do it. You try! If I see that this is too difficult for me, I tell you! p.s.: I'm very frustrate 'cause I realize "sempre di pi�" that I don't know the english :)))
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:32
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on 21:44, marted� 30 marzo 2004 Joey DoWop Dee wrote: > "Cool" e' un po difficile a tradurre, credo. Invece di > significare "freschetto", (prima significanza), "cool" e > anche un termine che veniva dalle '40 o '50 (possibilmente > prima) che significa "di moda" o "soave" magari con aria > un po' "sotterranea", si mi capisci. Jazz Musicians sono > "cool." I Beatnik erano molto "cool." Se c'e' qualchecosa > che tutti cercano, (specialmente i giovani), quella cosa > e' "cool." > > --I just got a new car! The convertible I always wanted! > --Cool! > > --We're having a party tomorrow. Can you come? Luisa will > be there. --Cool! > > Parola da giovani, per lo piu'. Si scrive oggi anche come > "kewl," per essere -- em -- "cooler." 8-) Ma in Italia (e specialmente qui in Friuli) "cul" ha un altro significato, quindi attenzione.... ;-) -- oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
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on 05:20, mercoled� 31 marzo 2004 \(�`�.�Massy�.���\) wrote:
>> Il significato viene dal contesto, semplicemente. Se tu
>> mi dici "write" solamenta quella, in non so se vuoi dire
>> Giusto o Scrivi o Destra o Rito!
>>
>> Se dici "Write to me" io intendo "scrivimi."
>> Se dici "That looks right to me" intendo "giusto."
>> Se cerchi il bar e ti dicono "It's on the right" intendi
>> "alla destra." L'altro, (Rite=Rito) e' meno comune.
>> Dimentichiamolo.
>
> In italian not exists words write different that "si"
> (com'� il si riflessivo in inglese? ("on" in French)) read
> in the same mode. (this phrase is all wrong, I think :)) )
Non mettere troppe cose assieme, separa le domande
altrimenti � difficile rispondere.
In inglese l'impersonale mi pare che si pu� fare p.es.
cos�: "One must always do one's best"
>> C'e' anche "Left", che puo' significare "la sinistra" o
>> "abbandonato" o "fuggito."
>> Al soggetto di "asking directions" (com'e' in italiano?),
>
> Boh! "domandando direzioni"? :)))
"Chiedere la strada"
>> If you go right, you're left; if you go left, you're
>> right. Se vai alla destra, sara' abbandonato; se vai alla
>> sinistra, [sara' giusto.]
A destra sei perso (ti perdi), a sinistra sei giusto.
> And for my examples? "who" and "woo" have the same sound?
> And "star" and "start"?
Ma no il suono di who � aspirato, in inglese la H non �
muta, devi fare un piccolo soffietto.
> I don't undestand even the difference between "forty" and
> "fourteen" if its are proununced fast by an american! :)
L'accento dovrebbe essere diverso per�.
F�rty/fourt��n
?
--
oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 14:51
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on 05:47, mercoled� 31 marzo 2004 \(�`�.�Massy�.���\) wrote: >> I think maybe that's a British thing. In the US "I would" >> = simple conditional "I would go if I had the money." >> "Andrei se tenessi i soldi." (Giusto, l'italiano?) > > No! :) It's "Andrei se avessi i soldi" "Tenere" invece di "avere" � tipico dei napoletani, viene dal loro dialetto. >> Ma: You get a gold star! You must be the only one who >> pronounces every letter! (Not "all the letter") 8-) My >> first day in Italy, al Lago di Como, volevo provare a >> capire la gente di Bellagio. Niente parola! > > What you want say with "Niente parola" :)) Neanche una parola. Probabilmente parlavano in comasco, in Italia i dialetti regionali sono molto forti e influenzano la lingua. Nessuno parla come nell'opera lirica. > (E non parlavano ne' greco ne' tedescho > > tedesco > > ne' turco: era l'italiano della regione.) > > Ok you be right! But we mean two things differents! You > mean the dialect, on the contrary I mean the italian spoke > perfectly and the english spoke perfectly! Vuoi dire che la scrittura dell'italiano � pi� aderente alla pronuncia, mentre l'inglese ha una scrittura poco legata alla pronuncia, per ragioni storiche. >> Big problem with AmEng: everyone drops letters, sometimes >> whole syllables. > > Yes, but also if you speack a perfect english you don't > proununce every letters (it's a rule! Example: > bridge=brig, wedge=ueg, hedge=heg -> in all these cases > you don't proununce the "d" and the "e"). In fact there > are some words write different that you read at same way! Si tratta di una scrittura ereditata da tempi storici, mentre la lingua � cambiata con il tempo. > p.s.: I'm very frustrate 'cause I realize "sempre di pi�" > that I don't know the english :))) Devi cercare di "pensare" in inglese, cerca di "imitare" come fanno i bambini. -- oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.?Massy?.�?�)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 16:58
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"ADPUF" <flyhunter@mosq.it> ha scritto nel messaggio news:kEAac.161779$O31.6698788@news4.tin.it... > Ma in Italia (e specialmente qui in Friuli) "cul" ha un > altro significato, quindi attenzione.... ;-) LOL!
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:37
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In article <NMCac.100491$Kc3.3266287@twister2.libero.it>, "\(�`�.?Massy?.�?�\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> says... > > "ADPUF" <flyhunter@mosq.it> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:kEAac.161779$O31.6698788@news4.tin.it... > > Ma in Italia (e specialmente qui in Friuli) "cul" ha un > > altro significato, quindi attenzione.... ;-) > > LOL! > > > Io, viaggiando con dei amici a Venezia qualche anni fa, ricordo una giornata bella ma un poco fresca. Abbiamo parlato un po' del tempo, dopo di che la mia amica Karen (chi non parla italiano) andava camminando per la Piazza San Marco dicendo "Coool---a! Coool----a!" sempre sorridendo. (Bello che non era bella lei, o ci sarei stato un gruppo di "guys following her", domandano "un pezzo".) -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 18:49
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In article <DNqac.102607$FJ6.3775475@twister1.libero.it>, "\(�`�.�Massy�.���\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> says... > And for my examples? "who" and "woo" have the same sound? And "star" and > "start"? > I don't undestand even the difference between "forty" and "fourteen" if its > are proununced fast by an american! :) AmEng Joe here. "Who" is pronounced Hoo (Hu) but "woo" is pronounced Woo (Wu). I know the sound of "W" doesn't exist "per se" in Italian. Do you have a problem understanding the sound of W? If so, I'll explain more about it. "Star" and "start": the second has a tiny "stop" made by hitting the tongue against the roof of the mouth. It's a normal "T" sound, but very light [and no "plosive" follow-through]. The first has no such "stop." Also, as for the sound of "T", other than at the beginning of a word (or an accented syllable), in many cases it's very light and pronounced almost like a "D". In the examples "forty" and "fourteen": the first sounds like "FOR-di" and the second "forTIN" con la "I" lunga lunga, o raddoppiata: forTIIN. E in "fourteen" la "T" suona come "T" non "D". ..more to come... -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:04
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In article <Kbrac.102610$FJ6.3776204@twister1.libero.it>, "\(�`�.�Massy�.���\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> says... > Yes, but also if you speack a perfect english you don't proununce every > letters (it's a rule! Example: bridge=brig, wedge=ueg, hedge=heg -> in all > these cases you don't proununce the "d" and the "e"). In fact there are some > words write different that you read at same way! > Si, si, ora capisco. Le "silent letters" dell'inglese sono una grande problema! Si deve imparare la pronuncia di ogni parola. Credo che un buon dizionario puo' aiutarti, ma devi capire la scritta fonetica (giusto?) usata nel dizionario. The biggest "offender" is the silent "E", but it's usually there for a reason. Hat (cappello) (pr.: het) (questo "A" non esiste in italiano. Suona come "halfway between" A e E. Hate (odio) (pr.: heit) ben diverse, queste parole, di significato e di pronuncia. Qui, la "E" serve a allungare il vocale. Anche la "E" serve "to soften" a "c" or "g", cioe': bridge = brid + ge (J sound), wedge = wed + ge (J sound), hedge = hed + ge (J sound) E si', ci sono i Homonyms, che sono le parole pronunciata della stessa manera, ma con significati diversi: two, to, too; there, their, they're. In questi casi sara' il contesto a chiarire il significato. Basta per ora... poco a poco apprenderai. -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:16
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio > Io, viaggiando con dei amici a Venezia qualche anni fa, ricordo una > giornata bella ma un poco fresca. Io, viaggiando con dei miei amici (or "con degli amici") a Venezia qualche *anno* fa, ricordo una bella giornata, ma un po' fredda. better: Ricordo che, una volta, qualche anno fa, mentre ero in vacanza a Venezia con dei miei amici, in una giornata bella ma un po' fredda... >Abbiamo parlato un po' del tempo, dopo > di che la mia amica Karen (chi non parla italiano) andava camminando per > la Piazza San Marco dicendo "Coool---a! Coool----a!" sempre sorridendo. ...(*che* non parla italiano) camminava (or "andava in giro" or "girava") per (*senza articolo*) Piazza San Marco dicendo.... > (Bello che non era bella lei, o ci sarei stato un gruppo di "guys > following her", domandano "un pezzo".) Fortuna (or "per fortuna" or "meno male") che lei non era bella, *altrimenti* ci *sarebbe* stato un gruppo di ragazzi che l'avrebbero seguita domandandone (or "domandandole" -> it depend what you want say exactly) "un pezzo". (if you say "domandandone" you mean that they ask "un pezzo" of "ass" (excuse me for dirty word); if you say "domandandole" you mean that they ask "un pezzo" of her)
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:18
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In article <qVAac.161891$O31.6703330@news4.tin.it>, ADPUF says... > on 05:47, mercoled� 31 marzo 2004 \(�`�.�Massy�.���\) wrote: > Probabilmente parlavano in comasco, in Italia i dialetti > regionali sono molto forti e influenzano la lingua. Ho capito, grazie. Sapevo che esistono molti dialetti, ma tanti diversi? Sono lingue stesse. > Nessuno parla come nell'opera lirica. Peccato! :-) > > Ok you be right! But we mean two things differents! You > > mean the dialect, on the contrary I mean the italian spoke > > perfectly and the english spoke perfectly! > > > Vuoi dire che la scrittura dell'italiano � pi� aderente > alla pronuncia, mentre l'inglese ha una scrittura poco > legata alla pronuncia, per ragioni storiche. Massy, C'e' il problema della scrittura, e anche il problema della pronuncia. Ma come dice Adpuf, Devi cercare di "pensare" in inglese, cerca di "imitare" come fanno i bambini. (Ma non far pipi' nei pantaloni.) 8-0 (scusa. scherzo. e' il mio carattere.) -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:21
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio > AmEng Joe here. [cut] > In the examples "forty" and "fourteen": > the first sounds like "FOR-di" > and the second "forTIN" con la "I" lunga lunga, o raddoppiata: forTIIN. > E in "fourteen" la "T" suona come "T" non "D". Grazie mille! Sei stato chiarissimo! > > ..more to come... ?
Re: I'm italian...
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:24
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio news:MPG.1ad4e3b3c7cdcc889896c3@news.verizon.net... > Massy, C'e' il problema della scrittura, e anche il problema della > pronuncia. Ma come dice Adpuf, Devi cercare di "pensare" in inglese, I know! But isn't simple! :) > cerca di "imitare" come fanno i bambini. (Ma non far pipi' nei > pantaloni.) :DD 8-0 (scusa. scherzo. e' il mio carattere.) Don't worry! :)))
Re: I'm italian...
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Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 19:40
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio > Si, si, ora capisco. Le "silent letters" dell'inglese sono una grande > problema! *un* grande Si deve imparare la pronuncia di ogni parola. Credo che un buon > dizionario puo' aiutarti, ma devi capire la scritta fonetica > (giusto?) usata nel dizionario. la fonetica (without "scritta") > > The biggest "offender" is the silent "E", but it's usually there for a > reason. > > Hat (cappello) (pr.: het) (questo "A" non esiste in italiano. Suona come > "halfway between" A e E. > Hate (odio) (pr.: heit) > > ben diverse, queste parole, di significato e di pronuncia. > Qui, la "E" serve a allungare il vocale. > > Anche la "E" serve "to soften" a "c" or "g", cioe': bridge = brid + ge (J > sound), wedge = wed + ge (J sound), hedge = hed + ge (J sound) > > E si', ci sono i Homonyms, che sono le parole pronunciata della stessa > manera, ma con significati diversi: two, to, too; there, their, they're. sono le parole *pronunciate* *nella* stessa *maniera*,... > In questi casi sara' il contesto a chiarire il significato. > > Basta per ora... poco a poco apprenderai. Thanks! With a teacher good like you I'm sure that I learn very fast! :))) p.s.: In your opinion it's possible that we can speack with the PC to improve our pronunciation (with a microphone and an appropriate software)?
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:09
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In article <XNEac.104104$FJ6.3815054@twister1.libero.it>, "\(�`�.�Massy�.���\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> says... > "Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio > > > Io, viaggiando con dei amici a Venezia qualche anni fa, ricordo una > > giornata bella ma un poco fresca. > > Io, viaggiando con dei miei amici (or "con degli amici") a Venezia qualche > *anno* fa, ricordo una bella giornata, ma un po' fredda. > > better: > Ricordo che, una volta, qualche anno fa, mentre ero in vacanza a Venezia con > dei miei amici, in una giornata bella ma un po' fredda... > > >Abbiamo parlato un po' del tempo, dopo > > di che la mia amica Karen (chi non parla italiano) andava camminando per > > la Piazza San Marco dicendo "Coool---a! Coool----a!" sempre sorridendo. > > ...(*che* non parla italiano) camminava (or "andava in giro" or "girava") > per (*senza articolo*) Piazza San Marco dicendo.... > > > > (Bello che non era bella lei, o ci sarei stato un gruppo di "guys > > following her", domandano "un pezzo".) > > Fortuna (or "per fortuna" or "meno male") che lei non era bella, > *altrimenti* ci *sarebbe* stato un gruppo di ragazzi che l'avrebbero seguita > domandandone (or "domandandole" -> it depend what you want say exactly) "un > pezzo". > (if you say "domandandone" you mean that they ask "un pezzo" of "ass" > (excuse me for dirty word); if you say "domandandole" you mean that they ask > "un pezzo" of her) > > > Grazie, Massy. -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:20
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 20:20
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In article <W8Fac.104166$FJ6.3817645@twister1.libero.it>, "\(�`�.�Massy�.���\)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> says... > > "Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio > > > Si, si, ora capisco. Le "silent letters" dell'inglese sono una grande > > problema! > > *un* grande > > Si deve imparare la pronuncia di ogni parola. Credo che un buon > > dizionario puo' aiutarti, ma devi capire la scritta fonetica > > (giusto?) usata nel dizionario. > > la fonetica (without "scritta") > > > > > The biggest "offender" is the silent "E", but it's usually there for a > > reason. > > > > Hat (cappello) (pr.: het) (questo "A" non esiste in italiano. Suona come > > "halfway between" A e E. > > Hate (odio) (pr.: heit) > > > > ben diverse, queste parole, di significato e di pronuncia. > > Qui, la "E" serve a allungare il vocale. > > > > Anche la "E" serve "to soften" a "c" or "g", cioe': bridge = brid + ge (J > > sound), wedge = wed + ge (J sound), hedge = hed + ge (J sound) > > > > E si', ci sono i Homonyms, che sono le parole pronunciata della stessa > > manera, ma con significati diversi: two, to, too; there, their, they're. > > sono le parole *pronunciate* *nella* stessa *maniera*,... > > > In questi casi sara' il contesto a chiarire il significato. > > > > Basta per ora... poco a poco apprenderai. > > Thanks! With a teacher good like you I'm sure that I learn very fast! :))) > > p.s.: In your opinion it's possible that we can speack with the PC to > improve our pronunciation (with a microphone and an appropriate software)? > > > Grazie delle tue correzioni, Massy. E ora le mie: "Thanks. With a good teacher like you I'm sure (that - opzionale) I'll learn very fast." "In your opinion is it possible to speak (no "c") with the PC (or maybe better: "by computer") to improve our.... ecc... and appropriate software?" (no "an"). And yes, I believe we can create small .wav files to send back and forth... I have to see if my microphone works. I'll test it and let you know! E si' credo che possiamo creare piccoli .wav files che possiamo scambiare. Devo controllare se funziona il mio microfono. Lo provero' e ti faro' sapere. (? How does that sound?) -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:19
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio > > > > > > > Grazie, Massy. You are welcome! :)
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.�Massy�.���)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:40
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 23:40
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"Joey DoWop Dee" <joe.did@verizonnot.net> ha scritto nel messaggio news:MPG.1ad4f22b5a3373999896c8@news.verizon.net... > E si' credo che possiamo creare piccoli .wav files che possiamo > scambiare. Devo controllare se funziona il mio microfono. Lo provero' e > ti faro' sapere. (? How does that sound?) perfect! Only better: "files .wav"! I'm thinking also a way for speack in ?live broadcast?. But we can consider this later.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:33
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:33
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on 20:49, mercoled� 31 marzo 2004 Joey DoWop Dee wrote: > "Who" is pronounced Hoo (Hu) but "woo" is pronounced Woo > (Wu). I know the sound of "W" doesn't exist "per se" in > Italian. Do you have a problem understanding the sound of > W? If so, I'll explain more about it. Il suono semivocalico di U c'� anche in italiano ma si scrive sempre U: qwando, qwesto ... -- oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:40
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:40
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on 21:18, mercoled� 31 marzo 2004 Joey DoWop Dee wrote: >> Probabilmente parlavano in comasco, in Italia i >> dialetti regionali sono molto forti e influenzano la >> lingua. > > Ho capito, grazie. Sapevo che esistono molti dialetti, ma > tanti diversi? tanto > Sono lingue stesse. S�, sono vere e proprie lingue (i linguisti non fanno differenza fra lingua e dialetto) Quando l'impero romano � finito il latino si � modificato un po' alla volta in modi differenti a seconda dei luoghi, e sono nate le lingue neolatine o romanze, di cui le pi� note e importanti sono il francese, lo spagnolo, l'italiano, il romeno, ecc. Ma in realt� queste lingue "ufficiali" sono solo le variet� usate dai Re (Francia, Spagna) o dalle classi colte (Italia) Accanto ad esse sono sempre vissute le lingue usate dai popoli, p.es. catalano, occitano, friulano, napoletano ecc. In Italia ce n'� molte perch� l'Italia � stata divisa molto a lungo e la geografia rendeva difficili le comunicazioni. -- oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:42
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:42
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In article <6LVac.2180$hc5.43507@news3.tin.it>, ADPUF says... > on 20:49, mercoled� 31 marzo 2004 Joey DoWop Dee wrote: > > > "Who" is pronounced Hoo (Hu) but "woo" is pronounced Woo > > (Wu). I know the sound of "W" doesn't exist "per se" in > > Italian. Do you have a problem understanding the sound of > > W? If so, I'll explain more about it. > > > Il suono semivocalico di U c'� anche in italiano ma si > scrive sempre U: > qwando, qwesto ... > > > Si', questo lo so, ma non sapevo si Massy riconosceva la somigilianza. Mi ha gia' indicato di si'. Grazie. -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: ADPUF
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:47
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 14:47
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on 21:40, mercoled� 31 marzo 2004 \(�`�.�Massy�.���\) wrote: > Si deve imparare la pronuncia di ogni parola. Credo che un > buon dizionario puo' aiutarti, ma devi capire la scritta >> fonetica (giusto?) usata nel dizionario. > > la fonetica (without "scritta") Intende dire la trascrizione del suono della parola che si trova nei dizionari, necessita un po' di studio per impararla. p.es. la vocale lunga viene talvolta scritta con i due punti accanto: car, ca:(r) oppure la � per indicare la A di fat, f�t dipende da quale dizionario usi. -- oggi no, domani s�
Re: I'm italian...
Author: (�`�.?Massy?.�?�)
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:05
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:05
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"ADPUF" <flyhunter@mosq.it> ha scritto nel messaggio news:_XVac.3553$rM4.66369@news4.tin.it... > Intende dire la trascrizione del suono della parola che si > trova nei dizionari, necessita un po' di studio per > impararla. > p.es. la vocale lunga viene talvolta scritta con i due > punti accanto: > car, ca:(r) > oppure la � per indicare la A di > fat, f�t > > dipende da quale dizionario usi. Si, si, avevo capito. :)
Re: I'm italian...
Author: Joey DoWop Dee
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:48
Date: Thu, 01 Apr 2004 15:48
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In article <SRVac.3506$rM4.65607@news4.tin.it>, ADPUF says... > S�, sono vere e proprie lingue (i linguisti non fanno > differenza fra lingua e dialetto) > Quando l'impero romano � finito il latino si � modificato > un po' alla volta in modi differenti a seconda dei luoghi, > e sono nate le lingue neolatine o romanze, di cui le pi� > note e importanti sono il francese, lo spagnolo, > l'italiano, il romeno, ecc. > Ma in realt� queste lingue "ufficiali" sono solo le variet� > usate dai Re (Francia, Spagna) o dalle classi colte (Italia) > Accanto ad esse sono sempre vissute le lingue usate dai > popoli, p.es. catalano, occitano, friulano, napoletano ecc. > In Italia ce n'� molte perch� l'Italia � stata divisa molto > a lungo e la geografia rendeva difficili le comunicazioni. > This is one of the things that fascinates me the most about Italy. (There are many.) My grandparents came from Calabria (mother's side) and Sicilia (father's side) and they spoke very different versions of Italian (when they spoke it at all; mostly they learned and spoke English.) I'm sorry that neither my grandparents nor my parents wanted us to learn their language, and that I wasn't exposed to it more. Quando era piu' giovane, ricordo che, visitando mia zia (siciliana) lei mi diceva sempre "Chi si bedd'" e io, pensando in inglese, mi domandavo perche' lei voleva che io "kiss the bed." Happy Memories! 8-) -- Un-not my address if you wanna reply.
Re: I'm italian...
Author: joscurtin
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:20
Date: Thu, 08 Apr 2004 23:20
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5 entries found for cool. To select an entry, click on it. cool[1,adjective]cool[2,verb]cool[3,noun]cool[4,adverb]blow[1,verb] re: "cool" Main Entry: 1 cool Pronunciation: 'k�l Function: adjective Etymology: Middle English col, from Old English cOl; akin to Old High German kuoli cool, Old English ceald cold -- more at COLD 7 slang a : very good : EXCELLENT; also : ALL RIGHT b : FASHIONABLE 1 <not happy with the new shoes... because they were not cool> cool (FASHIONABLE) adjective INFORMAL fashionable or attractive: Angie's got some cool new sunglasses. Now I know it won't look very cool, but this hat will keep the sun out of your eyes. "(�`�.�Massy�.���)" <massimiliano_2000@libero.it> wrote in message news:tQiac.101893$FJ6.3744280@twister1.libero.it... > piacere > "joscurtin" <joscurtin@cox.net> ha scritto nel messaggio > news:7hE9c.19327$oH2.13893@lakeread01... > > I'm an American from New York currently living in Massachusetts. > > I spent six years in Italy, and managed to pick up a little Italian. > > Pleased to meet you! > > > > > Massy, I hope you find this newsgroup useful for what you want. > > I hope too. :) > > > I find it annoying when I see "ROTFL", "IMHO", etc. on ITALIAN newsgroups! > > And what's with the "ke" instead of "che", "nn" instead of "non", "ki" > > instead of "chi"? > > I guess it must be "cool". > > I don't understand the last phrase (I guess it must be "cool" -> Io credo > che dovrebbe essere ????.) > > > You might already have these, but just in case, here are a few useful > > resources. > > http://dictionary.cambridge.org/ > > http://education.yahoo.com/reference/dictionary/ > > I'll see this, also if I think that this is too difficult for me. > > > You might find something worthwhile in English here: > > http://wwitv.com/portal.htm?http://wwitv.com/broadband/index.html. > > > > I'll see also this! > > Thanks! > >
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