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What you see in the registry was put there by the burner software install.
The drive recognition routine in the software compares that to the string in
the EEPROM in the drive itself, which Creative has changed. Changing the
string in the registry to match the ID string in the EEPROM *might* get the
software to work, but it's not as simple as it may appear.
None of this helps at all for drive firmware updates, however. If the drive
OEM offers a firmware update, the patch program must find the original drive
ID in the EEPROM for the patch to work. Since Creative has changed the ID in
the EEPROM and won't provide firmware updates that recognize the Creative ID
string, owners unwilling to attempt drastic measures to rewrite the original
OEM ID string to the drive EEPROM are SOL.

"Jason Chong" <cvw@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
news:3B79C22E.5487@pc.jaring.my...
> Hey, if the drives we get from creative are
> rebadged panasonic/matsushita/samsung/sanyo/plextor...
>
> So what if they changed the ID string ? Why not change it
> to the original manufacturer's ID at the registry ?
> I saw entries for them in the localmachine/enum/scsi
>
> Just change for example, 'Creative 8439e' to
> 'Matsushita cw-7586' etc and now those burners
> that support cw-7586 should be able to use it.
>
> Why the heck is there a need to specially support a particular
> drive? All drives are ATAPI compliant and should read/write
> data CDs and others without problems!
>
> That's what ATAPI and SCSI interfaces are for, why does
> cd-writer software need to know the cdrw manufacturer
> string even ?!

Peter van der Goes wrote:
> 
> ID in the EEPROM for the patch to work. Since Creative has changed the ID in
> the EEPROM and won't provide firmware updates that recognize the Creative ID
> string, owners unwilling to attempt drastic measures to rewrite the original
> OEM ID string to the drive EEPROM are SOL.



I wonder if the cw-7586 firmware will flash a 8439E drive.

If you are referring to the firmware update for the 8432E offered by
Creative, the answer is no. Those updates are only for the drive model that
identifies itself as 8432E in Device Manager.

"Jason Chong" <cvw@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
news:3B7A6D55.17A4@pc.jaring.my...
> Peter van der Goes wrote:
> >
> > ID in the EEPROM for the patch to work. Since Creative has changed the
ID in
> > the EEPROM and won't provide firmware updates that recognize the
Creative ID
> > string, owners unwilling to attempt drastic measures to rewrite the
original
> > OEM ID string to the drive EEPROM are SOL.
>
>
>
> I wonder if the cw-7586 firmware will flash a 8439E drive.

Peter van der Goes wrote:
> 
> If you are referring to the firmware update for the 8432E offered by
> Creative, the answer is no. Those updates are only for the drive model that
> identifies itself as 8432E in Device Manager.


I meant the panasonic/matsushita's firmware for the 8439E..

My 8432 is actually an 8439E which is actually the Matsushita/panasonic
cw-7586 series. It is second best to the plextor unit they originally
rebadged. 8433E is actually it's predecessor cw-7585 series.

The other models except the original plextor are actually samsung and
sanyo etc..

Samsung sw-212 is a good model but no creative drive is based on it
yet. It has 8 mb internal buffer.

That won't work either, because the flash program from Pavasonic will look
for a cw-7586 on your system to flash and won't find it because Creative
changed the ID string in your drive firmware to 8439E or whatever.
So, you can't flash with the OEM update and Creative won't give you one.

"Jason Chong" <cvw@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
news:3B7B45BD.59E9@pc.jaring.my...
> Peter van der Goes wrote:
> >
> > If you are referring to the firmware update for the 8432E offered by
> > Creative, the answer is no. Those updates are only for the drive model
that
> > identifies itself as 8432E in Device Manager.
>
>
> I meant the panasonic/matsushita's firmware for the 8439E..
>
> My 8432 is actually an 8439E which is actually the Matsushita/panasonic
> cw-7586 series. It is second best to the plextor unit they originally
> rebadged. 8433E is actually it's predecessor cw-7585 series.
>
> The other models except the original plextor are actually samsung and
> sanyo etc..
>
> Samsung sw-212 is a good model but no creative drive is based on it
> yet. It has 8 mb internal buffer.

Peter van der Goes wrote:
> 
> That won't work either, because the flash program from Pavasonic will look
> for a cw-7586 on your system to flash and won't find it because Creative
> changed the ID string in your drive firmware to 8439E or whatever.
> So, you can't flash with the OEM update and Creative won't give you one.

Guess what ? I dissected the firmware upgrade flasher for cw-7586 1.01
and 1.08 .

Creative-CDRW IS recognized by the flasher and WILL update the firmware
on 8439E and 8433E, it looks to me like, the 'official' support for
8433E and 8439E are the firmwares from www.acscompro.com

If not, why would they be able to detect creative's ID string ?
Seems to me , THIS could be the official firmware/flasher since
it detects 8439E and 8433E's ID string.

This is what it looks for...


Win32 Flasher LD7586.EXE :


 
4B $4B �QB         P�@ _+@ __@ �MA -;A         +MA         _;A    
MATSHITACD
-RW  CW-7585P MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7585  COMPAQ  CD-RW  CW-7585 
CREATIVECD-RW  RW
8433E  DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7586P MATSHITACD-RW 
CW-7586
CREATIVECD-RW  RW8439E  DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7121P
MATSHIT
ACD-RW  CW-7121  DATAEND                 MKE ATAPI CD-RW DOWN LOAD
UTILITY   Ve
rsion 1.02  Copyright (C)  2000. 09.26    MATSUSHITA-KOTOBUKI
ELECTORONICS IND.
 CO., LTD  Information Equipment Development Center    LD7585  LD7586 
LD7121
LD7XXX  FILE_DOWNLD Version 1.02  Copyright (C)  2000. 09.26    %s(
%13.13s)
 This Program No run %-8.8s %-16.16s %-4.4s  MKE CD-R(W) DRIVE CW-%4.4s
NotFoun
d Drive No Goood Selectd
%16.16s  MKE CD-RW DOWNLOAD   Firm Ware Files (*.Rom)
| *.Rom; | Binary Files (*.Bin) | *.bin; | All Files (*.*) | *.*; ||  
*.ROM
ROM DOWN LOAD FILE OPEN MKE CD-RW DOWNLOAD  File not found  MKE CD-RW
DOWNLOAD




DOS flasher D7586.EXE:

                                                             MS Run-Time
Librar
y - Copyright (c) 1990, Microsoft Corp  OK
                END              MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7585 COMPAQ  CD-RW 
CW-7585
CREATIVECD-RW  RW8433E DATAEND                MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7586
CREATIVECD
-RW  RW8439E DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7121 DATAEND
    B b
H b
N b
T b
Z b
` b
f b
l b
r b
x b
~ b
� b
1.02(2000/09/26) %s version
 %s
 %s [/d DriveNumber] [RomFile][/y]

 DriveNumber 0 : Primary Master

      1 : Primary Slave
             2 : Secondary Master
             3 : Seco
ndary Slave
 Filename =  Select Drive
   0 : Primary Master
   1 : Primary Slav
e
   2 : Secondary Master
   3 : Secondary Slave
   Q : Quit
 Input Drive Numbe
r =   Heep Space Can not Allocate
 CW-7586P Drive Not Ready 
 
Data = 
 .  
CDB
 = %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X   OK
                              END              MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7585
COMPAQ  C
D-RW  CW-7585 CREATIVECD-RW  RW8433E DATAEND               
MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7
586 CREATIVECD-RW  RW8439E DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW 
CW-7121 DATAE

I'm very happy for you that Panasonic has chosen to support the Creative
models they made.
I suggest that you post a new message (new thread) here so that others can
see what you've found.
Good luck with it.

"Jason Chong" <cvw@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
news:3B7D05B8.4DA5@pc.jaring.my...
> Peter van der Goes wrote:
> >
> > That won't work either, because the flash program from Pavasonic will
look
> > for a cw-7586 on your system to flash and won't find it because Creative
> > changed the ID string in your drive firmware to 8439E or whatever.
> > So, you can't flash with the OEM update and Creative won't give you one.
>
> Guess what ? I dissected the firmware upgrade flasher for cw-7586 1.01
> and 1.08 .
>
> Creative-CDRW IS recognized by the flasher and WILL update the firmware
> on 8439E and 8433E, it looks to me like, the 'official' support for
> 8433E and 8439E are the firmwares from www.acscompro.com
>
> If not, why would they be able to detect creative's ID string ?
> Seems to me , THIS could be the official firmware/flasher since
> it detects 8439E and 8433E's ID string.
>
> This is what it looks for...
>
>
> Win32 Flasher LD7586.EXE :
>
>
>  
4B $4B �QB         P�@ _+@ __@ �MA -;A         +MA         _;A
> MATSHITACD
> -RW  CW-7585P MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7585  COMPAQ  CD-RW  CW-7585
> CREATIVECD-RW  RW
> 8433E  DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7586P MATSHITACD-RW
> CW-7586
> CREATIVECD-RW  RW8439E  DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7121P
> MATSHIT
> ACD-RW  CW-7121  DATAEND                 MKE ATAPI CD-RW DOWN LOAD
> UTILITY   Ve
> rsion 1.02  Copyright (C)  2000. 09.26    MATSUSHITA-KOTOBUKI
> ELECTORONICS IND.
>  CO., LTD  Information Equipment Development Center    LD7585  LD7586
> LD7121
> LD7XXX  FILE_DOWNLD Version 1.02  Copyright (C)  2000. 09.26    %s(
> %13.13s)
>  This Program No run %-8.8s %-16.16s %-4.4s  MKE CD-R(W) DRIVE CW-%4.4s
> NotFoun
> d Drive No Goood Selectd
> %16.16s  MKE CD-RW DOWNLOAD   Firm Ware Files (*.Rom)
> | *.Rom; | Binary Files (*.Bin) | *.bin; | All Files (*.*) | *.*; ||
> *.ROM
> ROM DOWN LOAD FILE OPEN MKE CD-RW DOWNLOAD  File not found  MKE CD-RW
> DOWNLOAD
>
>
>
>
> DOS flasher D7586.EXE:
>
>                                                              MS Run-Time
> Librar
> y - Copyright (c) 1990, Microsoft Corp  OK
>                 END              MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7585 COMPAQ  CD-RW
> CW-7585
> CREATIVECD-RW  RW8433E DATAEND                MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7586
> CREATIVECD
> -RW  RW8439E DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7121 DATAEND
>     B b
> H b
> N b
> T b
> Z b
> ` b
> f b
> l b
> r b
> x b
> ~ b
> � b
> 1.02(2000/09/26) %s version
>  %s
>  %s [/d DriveNumber] [RomFile][/y]
>
>  DriveNumber 0 : Primary Master
>
>       1 : Primary Slave
>              2 : Secondary Master
>              3 : Seco
> ndary Slave
>  Filename =  Select Drive
>    0 : Primary Master
>    1 : Primary Slav
> e
>    2 : Secondary Master
>    3 : Secondary Slave
>    Q : Quit
>  Input Drive Numbe
> r =   Heep Space Can not Allocate
>  CW-7586P Drive Not Ready
>
> Data =
>  .
> CDB
>  = %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X   OK
>                               END              MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7585
> COMPAQ  C
> D-RW  CW-7585 CREATIVECD-RW  RW8433E DATAEND
> MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7
> 586 CREATIVECD-RW  RW8439E DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW
> CW-7121 DATAE

Jason, you seem to be quite knowledgeable on this sort of thing. Can you
tell me the manufacturer of the 8438E? Maybe I could try the same process as
you have for my drive.
Thanks in advance for any help,
Ron
"Jason Chong" <cvw@pc.jaring.my> wrote in message
news:3B7D05B8.4DA5@pc.jaring.my...
> Peter van der Goes wrote:
> >
> > That won't work either, because the flash program from Pavasonic will
look
> > for a cw-7586 on your system to flash and won't find it because Creative
> > changed the ID string in your drive firmware to 8439E or whatever.
> > So, you can't flash with the OEM update and Creative won't give you one.
>
> Guess what ? I dissected the firmware upgrade flasher for cw-7586 1.01
> and 1.08 .
>
> Creative-CDRW IS recognized by the flasher and WILL update the firmware
> on 8439E and 8433E, it looks to me like, the 'official' support for
> 8433E and 8439E are the firmwares from www.acscompro.com
>
> If not, why would they be able to detect creative's ID string ?
> Seems to me , THIS could be the official firmware/flasher since
> it detects 8439E and 8433E's ID string.
>
> This is what it looks for...
>
>
> Win32 Flasher LD7586.EXE :
>
>
>  
4B $4B �QB         P�@ _+@ __@ �MA -;A         +MA         _;A
> MATSHITACD
> -RW  CW-7585P MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7585  COMPAQ  CD-RW  CW-7585
> CREATIVECD-RW  RW
> 8433E  DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7586P MATSHITACD-RW
> CW-7586
> CREATIVECD-RW  RW8439E  DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7121P
> MATSHIT
> ACD-RW  CW-7121  DATAEND                 MKE ATAPI CD-RW DOWN LOAD
> UTILITY   Ve
> rsion 1.02  Copyright (C)  2000. 09.26    MATSUSHITA-KOTOBUKI
> ELECTORONICS IND.
>  CO., LTD  Information Equipment Development Center    LD7585  LD7586
> LD7121
> LD7XXX  FILE_DOWNLD Version 1.02  Copyright (C)  2000. 09.26    %s(
> %13.13s)
>  This Program No run %-8.8s %-16.16s %-4.4s  MKE CD-R(W) DRIVE CW-%4.4s
> NotFoun
> d Drive No Goood Selectd
> %16.16s  MKE CD-RW DOWNLOAD   Firm Ware Files (*.Rom)
> | *.Rom; | Binary Files (*.Bin) | *.bin; | All Files (*.*) | *.*; ||
> *.ROM
> ROM DOWN LOAD FILE OPEN MKE CD-RW DOWNLOAD  File not found  MKE CD-RW
> DOWNLOAD
>
>
>
>
> DOS flasher D7586.EXE:
>
>                                                              MS Run-Time
> Librar
> y - Copyright (c) 1990, Microsoft Corp  OK
>                 END              MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7585 COMPAQ  CD-RW
> CW-7585
> CREATIVECD-RW  RW8433E DATAEND                MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7586
> CREATIVECD
> -RW  RW8439E DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7121 DATAEND
>     B b
> H b
> N b
> T b
> Z b
> ` b
> f b
> l b
> r b
> x b
> ~ b
> � b
> 1.02(2000/09/26) %s version
>  %s
>  %s [/d DriveNumber] [RomFile][/y]
>
>  DriveNumber 0 : Primary Master
>
>       1 : Primary Slave
>              2 : Secondary Master
>              3 : Seco
> ndary Slave
>  Filename =  Select Drive
>    0 : Primary Master
>    1 : Primary Slav
> e
>    2 : Secondary Master
>    3 : Secondary Slave
>    Q : Quit
>  Input Drive Numbe
> r =   Heep Space Can not Allocate
>  CW-7586P Drive Not Ready
>
> Data =
>  .
> CDB
>  = %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X %02X   OK
>                               END              MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7585
> COMPAQ  C
> D-RW  CW-7585 CREATIVECD-RW  RW8433E DATAEND
> MATSHITACD-RW  CW-7
> 586 CREATIVECD-RW  RW8439E DATAEND                 MATSHITACD-RW
> CW-7121 DATAE

Ron Love wrote:
> 
> Jason, you seem to be quite knowledgeable on this sort of thing. Can you
> tell me the manufacturer of the 8438E? Maybe I could try the same process as
> you have for my drive.
> Thanks in advance for any help,


Go here http://www.geocities.com/reflash8435/8438.html

DO NOT flash your unit. There're variants of 8438E in the market.

I suspect some of them could be using sector write-protected EEPROMs
for the firmware, from what I read in some other forums.

That's why there're those who flashed successfully and those who
failed (Even in win98) because EEprom firmware cannot be completely
erased (Sector protection)

I've also got a 8438E drive and I was just looking into finding a flashrom upgrade for it.
But now I'm a little concerned that I might render the thing useless if I try to flash it
based on what you said.  Now, I've heard that there are different versions of the 8438E on
the market.  Here's all the info on mine that I have available.

In the Device Manager in Windows 98SE, it lists the drive as an Creative CD-RW RW8438E.
The firmare version is listed as FC03.  On the side of the box it came in, it says that
it's Model MK4214.  I want to know if this is a drive that's safe to flash and if so,
where to get the flash patch.  Do you have a clue as to which drive is which?  Thanks.

I'll try to clarify this mess for you.
Creative sold at least five different drives in their 8432 box. Thay have
provided firmware upgrades *only* for the original drive (a rebadged
Plextor) sold and used to get good initial reviews in the media. Than, they
switched to cheaper, less capable drives. The drives I am aware of are (as
identified in Device Manager): RW8432E (Plextor), RW8433E (Panasonic, I
think), RW8435E (Samsung), RW8438E (Samsung) and RW8439E (Panasonic).
Samsung *has* issued firmware upgrades applicable to the 8435E and the
8438E, but when CL rebadged the drives, they also changed the firmware ID
string from the original Samsung ID to a CL designation. Because of the
change, the Samsung flash program will not recognize the drive. Creative
refuses to issue firmware updates for the 8433 - 8439 drives, claiming that
"they are not needed".
Bottom line? You get NO support because CL appears to not care at all about
supporting customers once they have our money.

"ivorycruncher" <ivorycruncher@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9mf107$6sq$1@news.creativelabs.com...
> I've also got a 8438E drive and I was just looking into finding a flashrom
upgrade for it.
> But now I'm a little concerned that I might render the thing useless if I
try to flash it
> based on what you said.  Now, I've heard that there are different versions
of the 8438E on
> the market.  Here's all the info on mine that I have available.
>
> In the Device Manager in Windows 98SE, it lists the drive as an Creative
CD-RW RW8438E.
> The firmare version is listed as FC03.  On the side of the box it came in,
it says that
> it's Model MK4214.  I want to know if this is a drive that's safe to flash
and if so,
> where to get the flash patch.  Do you have a clue as to which drive is
which?  Thanks.
>

Thanks.  I guess I'm stuck.  :-�

We're all stuck.  Although my unit works okay when I copy a audio image to
the hard drive as an image file, I've created only coasters cd to cd-r.  I
also could not get the damn thing to recognize a 80 min cd-r.  But then I
tried a Sony 80min cd-r and was able to successfully burn an image from the
hard drive to this longer media.  Creative has no support.

--
"CK"
"ivorycruncher" <ivorycruncher@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9mhjar$pgt$1@news.creativelabs.com...
> Thanks.  I guess I'm stuck.  :-�
>