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Oh, please, please save us all from garbage like this.

I have a brother who works for scAMWAY that has been making the same sorts
of claims for 2 years and it hasn't gotten him anywhere yet.

The very fact that this meeting is being held on Saturday and in the E-center
instead of the business school already makes me suspicious of its 
legitimacy.

People, multi-level marketing schemes (read pyramid schemes) don't make 
money for anyone except those at the top. Stay away and do yourself a favor.

At any rate, the previous posting was obviously an advertisement for someone's
business, and thus an illegitimate use of USENET.

Scott


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J. Scott Farrow - Student Systems Programmer, Student Operator
University of Colorado at Boulder -  Computing and Network Services 
Campus Box 455, Boulder, CO 80309-0455 

In article <1992Apr22.024529.29503@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> moseley@tramp.Colorado.EDU (MOSELEY ANDREW S) writes:
>
>   ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A WAY TO INCREASE YOUR ANNUAL INCOME?
>
>Prominent business man Stacy Landers is visiting CU to teach you
>how to become FINANCIALLY FREE!!!  Don't settle for an average job
>with an average income.  Success Magazine raves about Lander's
>organization saying, It's "one of the world's most successful
>marketers" with "over $3 billion in annual sales."
>
>You owe it to yourself to at least come and check out this excellent
>opportunity and it's FREE!!  Come to CR 0-30 in the Engineering Center
>on -- Saturday, April 25th at 2:00 pm -- and bring your success oriented
>friends with you.
>
>     AN HOUR OF YOUR TIME NOW COULD INSURE YOUR FINANCIAL
>              FUTURE, DON'T WASTE IT WATCHING T.V.

And while you're at it, I have this GREAT chain letter you might be interested in...

I assume that this fellow isn't running a charity...therefore I also assume he actually
CHARGES MONEY (gasp!) for his incomparable advice (after the obligatory "loss leader".
That comes pretty close to "commercial use of the net". Since many sites are publicly
funded and expressly forbidden from that sort of usage, this is usually considered 
rude at best.


Steve

In article <1992Apr22.024529.29503@ucsu.Colorado.EDU>, moseley@tramp.Colorado.EDU (MOSELEY ANDREW S) writes:
|>    ARE YOU LOOKING FOR A WAY TO INCREASE YOUR ANNUAL INCOME?
|> 
|> Prominent business man Stacy Landers is visiting CU to teach you
    [standard "MBA cashed in" stuff deleted] 
|> on -- Saturday, April 25th at 2:00 pm -- and bring your success oriented
|> friends with you...                            ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^                 
  ^^^^^^^^^                                 

  ...unless you found them too useless to spend time with and decided that
  non-success oriented friends were, well, more successful.

In article <1992Apr22.172349.22279@ucsu.Colorado.EDU> farrow@ucsu.Colorado.EDU (J. Scott Farrow) writes:
>Oh, please, please save us all from garbage like this.
>
>I have a brother who works for scAMWAY that has been making the same sorts
>of claims for 2 years and it hasn't gotten him anywhere yet.

"it" won't "get him" anywhere, but certainly could be the vehicle for HIM to
get somewhere if he applies himself.  Don't blame the program.

[ deleted stuff]
>People, multi-level marketing schemes (read pyramid schemes) don't make 
>money for anyone except those at the top. Stay away and do yourself a favor.

That's too broad a brush.  First, you are incorrect in tying multi-level
marketing schemes to pyramid schemes.  Just about every business in the
country is "multi-level" (raw-materials harvested, sold to manufacturer, sold
to distributor etc.).  AMWAY and other-multi-level marketing systems are
analogous to the above.  Consider a businessman who has multiple retail
outlets (ie: McDonald's, or SEARS or whatever).  Each store makes it's own
money.  Someone upline provides support, and benefits as well.  Nothing
wrong with that.  Pyramid schemes are different.  They DEPEND upon down-line
"outlets" to get money in.  Break the chain, the pyramid collapses.  With
multi-level marketing, anyone can drop out, and it has no effect on another
person's ability to conduct business.  If you don't know that about AMWAY, 
then you're improper in calling it a scam--you should get more information
before you blast something of which you have little knowledge (knowledge that
is obviously incorrect).  You're basing your decision upon your brother's 
inability to make the program work.

>
>At any rate, the previous posting was obviously an advertisement for someone's
>business, and thus an illegitimate use of USENET.
>
>Scott

I agree.

BTW, I AM NOT an AMWAY distributor, nor am I involved in any other multi-
level marketing program so I'm not trying to toot any program's horn, just
to set the record straight.  I do have experience with multi-level marketing
however.  Not only with AMWAY (when I lived in California, and yes, it works)
but also a separate business here for awhile.  Why did I leave it?  I 
preferred flying and computers to sales.  If I put as much effort into AMWAY
as I do with computers (and did with flying), I have no doubt that it would 
be a successful business (albeit not nearly as interesting *for me*).  Most
people (me included) just don't put the time and effort that any business
requires if you're going to get it off the ground...especially the first
couple of years.

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>J. Scott Farrow - Student Systems Programmer, Student Operator
>University of Colorado at Boulder -  Computing and Network Services 
>Campus Box 455, Boulder, CO 80309-0455 

Multi-level-marketing has more than a few resemblences to
a pyramid scheme. It's pretty tough to make money actually
selling the goods, the money comes from the stuff paid up
by your downline. This means that you have to recruit sales
people. But everyone else is doing the same trying to build
THEIR downline. Eventually you run out of salespeople (the
population of the planet is finite) and the people at the
bottom don't make much money. Plus MLM is an inefficient way
of selling in that all the levels of distribution put way
too much overhead on the final cost of the goods. MLM isn't
evil, but the way to get rich in it is to start your own
MLM company. Hmm, anyone want to sell this great product
that I'll make up later?

Chris Kostanick
"A toast to the free market and bad cess to protectionism"