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In article <1994Jun14.141922.13425@nntpxfer.psi.com>,
 <cslaw@pericles.com> wrote:
>Green Card Lottery 1994 May Be The Last One!

Get serious! Again!  At least this time they seem to have posted to less
than everywhere.  These guys were just on the news a couple of nights ago
as an example of the most intrusive way possible to advertise on the 
internet.

Besides, these lotteries are fairly cheep and easy for any immigration
lawyer to do.  Why would people from all over the country want to deal
with a lawyer in Pheonix?

Scott

FYI


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                United States Department of State
                   Bureau of Consular Affairs

                          VISA BULLETIN

Number 35, Volume VII                            Washington, D.C.

REGISTRATION FOR THE FIRST YEAR OF THE DIVERSITY OF IMMIGRANT VISA

DV-1 Immigrant Visa "Lottery" program:

Sections 201(a)(3), 201(e), 203(c) and 204(a)(1)(G) of the
immigration and Nationality Act, as amended, taken together
establish, effective for Fiscal Year 1995 and thereafter, an annual
numerical limitation of 55,000 for diversity of immigrants. 
Natives of countries determined by the Immigration and
Naturalization Service according to a mathematical formula
specified by the law will be able to compete for these visas.  This
program is identified by the visa symbol DV-1 and is informally
known as the "visa lottery."  The law specifies that there must be
a separate registration fore each year's DV-1 visas.  This
information concerns the application period during 1994 for visas
to be issued during the Fiscal Year 1995 (from October 1, 1994
through September 30, 1995).

Qualifying Countries Under the DV-1 Program:

The law apportions DV-1 immigrant visa issuance among six
geographic regions
    - Africa
    - Asia
    - Europe
    - North America (excluding Mexico, Central America, and the 
      Caribbean.)
    - Oceania, and 
    - South America, Central America and the Caribbean,
according to a formula based on total immigrant admissions over the
most recent five-year period.  The formula identifies both high and
low admissions regions and high admissions foreign states.  A
greater share of the available visa numbers goes to low admission
regions that to high admission regions.  High admission states are
excluded entirely from the program.  No single country may receive
more than 7% (3,850) of the world-wide total of DV-1 visa numbers.

The Immigration and Naturalization Service determines the countries
whose natives (as that term is explained in question 1 below) may
be entitled to DV-1 visas.  According to the law, countries are
grouped by region.  (See detailed regional lists at the end of this
Visa Bulletin.)  The allotment of visas per region for Fiscal Year
1995 is shown in parentheses below, followed by summary information
on eligible countries.  (The eligible counties and regional numbers
may change each year depending on variations in immigration
rates.):

AFRICA:        (20,200)  All countries.
ASIA:          ( 6,837)  All countries _EXCEPT_ the following:
                         China-mainland born and Taiwan born,
                         INDIA, PHILIPPINES, VIETNAM, and SOUTH
                         KOREA.  (Hong Kong is eligible.)
EUROPE:        (24,549)  All countries _EXCEPT_ the following:
                         GREAT BRITAIN (United Kingdom) and its
                         dependent territories.  (Northern Ireland
                         is eligible.)
NORTH AMERICA: (     8)  The bahamas is the ONLY eligible country
                         included in the North America region. 
                         CANADA is _NOT_ eligible.
OCEANA:        (   817)  All countries.
SOUTH AMERICA, 
CENTRAL AMERICA, 
and the 
CARIBBEAN:     ( 2,589)  All countries _EXCEPT_ MEXICO, JAMAICA,
                         EL SALVADOR and DOMINICAN REPUBLIC.


                        (End of Page One)

How and When to Apply for DV-1 Status:

The application period for registration for the DV-1 visas to be
issued during the fiscal year 1995 (i.e. from October 1994 through
September 1995) will _begin_ at 12:01 a.m. (Eastern Time) on
WEDNESDAY, JUNE 1, 1994, and will _end_ at midnight on THURSDAY,
JUNE 30, 1994.  APPLICATIONS MUST BE TYPED OR CLEARLY PRINTED AND
MAILED TO THE ONE OF THE SIX FOLLOWING ADDRESSES, DEPENDING UPON
THE REGION OF THE APPLICANT'S NATIVE COUNTRY:

ASIA:               DV-1 Program
                    National Visa Center
                    Portsmouth, NH 00210
                    U.S.A.

SOUTH AMERICA,      DV-1 Program
CENTRAL AMERICA,    National Visa Center
and CARIBBEAN:      Portsmouth, NH 00211
                    U.S.A.

EUROPE:             DV-1 Program
                    National Visa Center
                    Portsmouth, NH 00212
                    U.S.A.

AFRICA:             DV-1 Program
                    National Visa Center
                    Portsmouth, NH 00213
                    U.S.A.

OCEANIA:            DV-1 Program
                    National Visa Center
                    Portsmouth, NH 00214
                    U.S.A.

NORTH AMERICA:      DV-1 Program
(Bahamas only)      National Visa Center
                    Portsmouth, NH 00215
                    U.S.A.

IT IS IMPORTANT TO USE THE CORRECT POSTAL ZIP CODE FOR EACH REGION. 
(A list of qualifying countries within each region appears at the
end of the Visa Bulletin.)

                                 EXAMPLE

     |  <------------ 6" to 10" or 15cm to 25cm ------------->  |

     /----------------------------------------------------------\ ---
     |XXXXXXXXXX                                       |------| |  |
     |XXXXXXXXXX                                       |      | |  |
     |                                                 |______| | 3.5-4.5"
     |                 DV-1 Program                             | or
     |                 National Visa Center                     | 9cm-11cm
     |                 Portsmouth, NH 00XXX                     |  |
     |                 U.S.A.            |                      |  |
     |                                   |                      |  |
     |___________________________________|______________________| _V_
                                         |

(If, for instance, the applicant's country is Kenya (in Africa),
the postal zip code for Africa would be used, that is 00213.)

                        (End of Page Two)

ONLY ONE APPLICATION MAY BE SUBMITTED BY OR FOR EACH APPLICANT
DURING THIS REGISTRATION PERIOD.  (SUBMISSION OF MORE THAN ONE
APPLICATION WILL DISQUALIFY THE PERSON FROM REGISTRATION.) 
Applications for registration will be grouped by region and will be
selected strictly in a random order from among all those received
during the application period.  Every application received will
have an equal chance of being selected.

Applications must be sent to the address above by regular mail or
air mail only, and may be mailed from within the United States or
abroad.  The information required on the envelope must be typed or
clearly printed.  Any form of special handling or acknowledgement
of receipt, such as registered mail, express mail, or certified
mail will NOT be eligible for the visa lottery.  Applications
received at the DV-1 Program address will NOT be processed for
registration.  Only ONE application may be included in each
envelope.

SIZE OF ENVELOPE:

The Envelope in which each application is mailed must be BETWEEN 6
and 10 inches (15 cm to 25 cm) in LENGTH, and BETWEEN 3 1/2 and 
4 1/2 inches (9 cm to 11 cm) in WIDTH.  This is necessary to assist
in the automatic processing of the mail.

INFORMATION WHICH MUST BE INCLUDED WITH APPLICATION FOR
REGISTRATION:

THERE IS NO APPLICATION FEE OR SPECIAL FORM.  THE REQUEST FOR
REGISTRATION IN THE LOTTERY MUST FURNISH THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION
ON A PLAIN SHEET OF PAPER.  ALL ANSWERS MUST BE TYPED OR CLEARLY
PRINTED IN THE ENGLISH ALPHABET.  NO SIGNATURE IS REQUIRED ON THE
APPLICATION.

Each application must be in the following format:

A. APPLICANT'S FULL NAME

     Last Name, First Name and Middle Name
     (Underline Last Name/ Surname/Family Name)
     Example: _Public_, George Quincy


B. APPLICANT'S DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH

     Date of birth:      Day, Month, Year
     Example:            15, November 1961

     Place of birth:     City/Town, District/County/Province,
                         Country
     Example:            Munich, Bavaria, Germany


C. NAME, DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH OF APPLICANT'S SPOUSE AND
CHILDREN, IF ANY

     The spouse and child(ren) of an applicant who is registered
     for DV-1 status are automatically entitled to the same status. 
     To obtain a visa on the basis of this derivative status, a
     child must be under 21 years of age and unmarried.  NOTE: Do
     NOT list parents of the applicant as they are not entitled to
     derivative status.

D. APPLICANT'S MAILING ADDRESS
     The mailing address must be clear and complete, since it will
     be to that address that the notification letter for the
     persons who are registered will be sent.  A telephone number
     is optional.

E. APPLICANT'S NATIVE COUNTRY IF DIFFERENT FROM COUNTRY OF BIRTH
     See the answer to Question 1 below in this Visa Bulletin
     regarding the meaning of "native" for the purposes of the DV-1
     Program.

                        (END PAGE THREE)

FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT DV-1 REGISTRATION:

1.   HOW IS THE TERM "NATIVE" DEFINED?  ARE THERE ANY BASES UPON
     WHICH PERSONS WHO HAVE NOT BEEN BORN IN A QUALIFYING COUNTRY
     MAY BE ELIGIBLE FOR REGISTRATION?

Native means BOTH someone born within on of the qualifying
countries AND someone entitled to be "charged" to such country
under the provisions of Section 202(b) of the Immigration and
Nationality Act.  Applicants for DV-1 registration may be charged
to the country of birth of a spouse; a minor dependent child can be
charged to the country of birth of a parent; and an applicant born
in a country of which neither parent was a native or a resident at
the time of his/her birth may be charged to the country of birth of
either parent.  An applicant who claims the benefit of alternate
chargeability must include a statement to the effect on the
application for registration, and must show the country of
chargeability on the upper left hand corner of the envelope in
which the registration is mailed.

2.   MAY PERSONS WHO ARE IN THE U.S. APPLY FOR REGISTRATION?

Yes, an applicant may be in the U.S. or in another country, and the
application may be mailed in the U.S. or abroad.

3.   IS EACH APPLICANT LIMITED TO ONLY ONE APPLICATION DURING THIS
     DV-1 REGISTRATION PERIOD?

Yes, the law allows only ONE application BY OR FOR each person
during this DV-1 registration period;  SUBMISSION OF MORE THAN ONE
APPLICATION WILL DISQUALIFY THE PERSON FROM REGISTRATION.  NOTE:
More than 400,000 applications were DISQUALIFIED during the 1993
and 1994 visa lotteries due to multiple applications.  Applicants
may be disqualified at time of registration or at the time of the
visa interview if more than one entry is detected.

4.   MAY A HUSBAND AND A WIFE EACH SUBMIT A SEPARATE APPLICATION?

Yes, if otherwise qualified, a husband and wife may each submit one
application for registration; if either is registered, the other
would be entitled to derivative status.

5.   MUST EACH APPLICANT SUBMIT HIS / HER OWN REQUEST, OR MAY
     SOMEONE ACT ON BEHALF OF AN APPLICANT?

Applicants may prepare and submit their own request for
registration, or have someone act on their behalf.  Regardless of
whether an application is submitted by the applicant directly, or
is assisted by an attorney, friend, relative etc., ONLY ONE
APPLICATION MAY BE SUBMITTED IN THE NAME OF EACH PERSON.  Only one
notification letter will be sent for each case registered, to the
address provided on the application.

6.   WHAT ARE THE REQUIREMENTS FOR EDUCATION OR WORK EXPERIENCE?

The law and regulations require that every applicant must have at
least a high school education or its equivalent or, within the past
five years, have two years of work experience.  A "high school
education or equivalent" is defined as successful completion of a
twelve-year course of elementary and secondary education comparable
to that of a high school degree in the United States.  Qualifying
work experience shall be based upon the most recent edition of the
Dictionary of Occupational Titles published by the Employment and
Training Administration of the United States Department of Labor.

Documentary proof of education or work experiences should NOT be
submitted with the application,  but must be presented to the
consular officer at the time of the  formal immigrant visa
application.

                         (End Page Four)

7.   HOW WILL CASES BE REGISTERED?

At the National Visa Center all mail received will be separated
into one of the six geographic regions and individually numbered. 
After the end of the application period, a computer will randomly
select cases from among all the mail received for each geographic
region.  Within each region, the first letter randomly selected
will be the first case registered, the second letter selected the
second registration, etc.  It makes no difference whether an
application is received early or late in the application period;
all applications received during the mail-in period will have an
equal chance of being selected within each region.  When a case has
been registered, the applicant will immediately be sent a
notification letter, which will provide appropriate visa
application instructions.  The National Visa Center will continue
to process the case until those who are registered are instructed
to make formal application at a U.S. consular office or until those
able to do so apply at an INS office in the United States for
change of status.  The National Visa Center will provide additional
instructions on the steps to take to pursue the applications for
DV-1 visas.

8.   MAY APPLICANTS ADJUST THEIR STATUS WITH THE INS?

Yes, provided that they are otherwise eligible to adjust status,
registered applicants who are physically present in the United
States may apply to the Immigration and Naturalization Service
(INS) for adjustment of status to permanent resident.  Applicants
who adjust, however, must first mail completed forms of OF-230,
Part I, and DSP-122 to the National Visa Center. (These forms will
be included with the registration notification letter.)  Applicants
must ensure that INS can COMPLETE ACTION on their cases before
September 30, 1995 since on that date registrations for the Fiscal
Year 1995 DV-1 program terminate.

9.   WILL APPLICATIONS WHO ARE NOT REGISTERED BE INFORMED?

No, applicants who are not registered will receive no response to
their registration request.  Only those who are registered will be
informed.  All notification letters are expected to be sent within
about three months of the end of the application period.  Anyone
who does NOT receive a letter will know that his/her application
has not been registered.

10.  HOW MANY APPLICANTS WILL BE REGISTERED?

A total of about 90,000 persons, both principal applicants and
their spouses and children, will be registered.  Since it is likely
that some of the first 55,000 persons who are registered will not
peruse their cases to visa issuance, this larger figure should
ensure use of all DV-1 numbers, but it also risks some registrants'
being left out.  All applicants who are registered will be informed
promptly of their place on the list.  Each month visas will be
issued according to registration lottery rank order, to those
applicants who are ready for visa issuance during that month.  Once
all of the Fiscal Year 1995 visas have been issued, the program for
the year will end.  Registered applicants who wish to receive visas
must be prepared to ACT PROMPTLY on their cases.

11.  IS THERE A MINIMUM AGE FOR APPLICANTS FOR REGISTRATION UNDER
     THE DV-1 PROGRAM?

There is NO minimum age for submission of an application for
registration, but the requirement of a high school education or
work experience for each principal applicant a the time of visa
issuance will effectively disqualify most persons who are under age
18.

12.  WILL THERE BE ANY SPECIAL FEE FOR REGISTRATION IN THE DV-1
     CATEGORY?

There is NO FEE FOR SUBMITTING A REQUEST FOR REGISTRATION, and NO
FEE should be included with the letter sent to the mailing
addresses indicated above.  (DV-1 applicants,  like other immigrant
visa applicants, must pay the regular visa fees at the time of visa
issuance.)

                       (End of Page Five)


13.  ARE DV-1 APPLICANTS SPECIALLY ENTITLED TO APPLY FOR A WAIVER
     OF ANY OF THE GROUNDS OF VISA INELIGIBILITY?

No.  Applicants are subject to all the grounds of ineligibility
specified in the Immigration and Nationality Act and there is no
special provision for the waiver of any grounds of visa
ineligibility other that those ordinarily provided in the Act.

14.  MAY APPLICANTS WHO ARE ALREADY REGISTERED FOR AN IMMIGRANT
     VISA IN ANOTHER CATEGORY APPLY IN THIS REGISTRATION FOR THE
     DV-1 CATEGORY?

Yes, such persons may seek DV-1 status through this registration as
well.

15.  HOW LONG DO APPLICANTS WHO ARE REGISTERED ON THE BASIS OF THIS
     APPLICATION PERIOD REMAIN ENTITLED TO APPLY FOR VISAS IN THE
     DV-1 CATEGORY?

Under the law, persons registered following this DV-1 application
period are entitled to apply for visa issuance ONLY DURING THE
FISCAL YEAR 1995, i.e., from October 1994 through September 1995. 
There is no carry-over of benefit into another year for persons who
are registered but who do not obtain visas during FY-1995.

THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ADVANTAGE TO MAILING EARLY, OR MAILING FROM
ANY PARTICULAR LOCALE.  EVERY APPLICATION RECEIVED DURING THE MAIL-
IN PERIOD WILL HAVE AN EQUAL RANDOM CHANCE OF BEING SELECTED. 
HOWEVER MORE THAN ONE APPLICATION PER PERSON WILL DISQUALIFY THE
PERSON FROM REGISTRATION.  ALSO, FAILURE TO INCLUDE THE APPLICANT'S
NATIVE COUNTRY AND FULL NAME AND ADDRESS ON THE ENVELOPE WILL
DISQUALIFY THE APPLICATION.

             LISTS OF QUALIFYING COUNTRIES BY REGION

The lists below show the countries QUALIFIED within each geographic
region for this year's Diversity Program.  The determination of
countries within each region is based on information provided by
the Geographer of the Department of State  The countries which do
not qualify for this year's program were identified by the
Immigration and Naturalization Service according to the formula in
Section 203(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act.  DEPENDENT
AREAS OVERSEAS ARE NOT INCLUDED WITHIN THE REGION OF THE GOVERNING
COUNTRY.  Any countries which do NOT qualify for this year's
program are noted in parentheses after the respective regional
list.

AFRICA:

ALGERIA, ANGOLA, BENIN, BOTSWANA, BURKINA, BURUNDI, CAMEROON, CAPE
VERDE, CENTRAL AFRICAN REPUBLIC, CHAD, COMOROS, CONGO, COTE
D'IVOIRE (IVORY COAST), DJIBOUTI, EGYPT, EQUATORIAL GUINEA,
ERITREA, ETHIOPIA, GAMBOON,GAMBIA, GHANA, GUINEA, GUINEA-BISSAU,
KENYA, LESOTHO, LIBERIA, LIBYA, BADAGASCAR, MALAWAI, MALI,
MAURITANIA, MAURITIUS, MOROCCO, MOZAMBIQUE, NAMIBIA, NIGER,
NIGERIA, RWANDA, SAO TOME AND PRINCIPE, SENEGAL, SEYCHELLES, SIERRA
LEONE, SOMALIA, SOUTH AFRICA, SUDAN, SWAZILAND, TANZANIA, TOGO,
UNISIA, UGANDA, ZAMBIA, ZIMBABWE

ASIA:

AFGHANISTAN, BAHRAIN, BANGLADESH, BHUTAN, BRUNEI, BURMA, CAMBODIA,
HONG KONG, INDONESIA, IRAN, IRAQ, ISRAEL, JAPAN, JORDON, NORTH
KOREA, KUWAIT, LAOS, LEBANON, MALAYSIA, MALDIVES, MONGOLIA, NEPAL,
OMAN, PAKISTAN, QATAR, SAUDI ARABIA, SINGAPORE, SRI LANKA, SYRIA,
THAILAND, UNITED ARAB EMIRATES, YEMEN.

EUROPE:

     ALBANIA, ANDORA, ARMENIA, AUSTRIA, AZERBAIJAN, BELARUS,
     BELGIUM, BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA, BULGARIA, CROATIA, CYPRUS,
     CZECH REPUBLIC, DENMARK (including components and dependent
     areas overseas), ESTONIA, FINLAND, FRANCE (including
     components and dependent areas overseas), GEORGIA, GERMANY,
     GREECE, HUNGARY, ICELAND, IRELAND, ITALY, KAZAKHSTAN, LATVIA,
     LIECHTENSTEIN, LITHUANIA, LUXEMBOURG, MACEDONIA (THE FORMER
     YOGOSLAV REPUBLIC OF) MALTA, MOLDOVA, MONACO, MONTENEGRO,
     NETHERLANDS (including components and dependent areas
     overseas), NORTHERN IRELAND, NORWAY, POLAND, PORTUGAL
     (including components and dependent areas overseas), ROMANIA,
     RUSSIA, SAN MARINO, SERBIA, SLOVAKIA, SLOVENIA, SPAIN, SWEDEN,
     SWITZERLAND, TAJIKISTAN, TURKMENISTAN, UKRAIN, UZBEKISTAN,
     VATICAN CITY.

     (Europe country NOT qualified for this years Diversity
     Program: 

     UNITED KINGDOM (GREAT BRITAIN), including the following
     dependent areas: ANGUILLA, BERMUDA, BRITISH VIRGIN ISLANDS,
     CAYMAN ISLANDS, FALKLAND ISLANDS, GIBRALTER, MONTSERRAT,
     PITCAIRN, ST. HELENA, TURKS AND CAICOS ISLANDS.  Note that for
     purposes of the Diversity Program only, Northern Ireland is
     treated seperately; Northern Ireland DOES QUALIFY and is
     listed among the qualifying countries.
 
     HONG KONG is a sparate immigrant visa chargability area and
     DOES QUALIFY; Hong Kong is included on the regional list for
     Asia.)

NORTH AMERICA:

     BAHAMAS

OCEANIA:

     AUSTRAILIA (including components and dependent areas
     overseas), FIJI, KIRIBATI, MARSHALL ISLANDS, MICRONESIA --
     FEDERATED STATES OF, NAURU, NEW ZEALAND (including components
     and dependent areas overseas), PALAU (TRUST TERRITORY OF THE
     PACIFIC ISLANDS), PAPAU NEW GUINEA, SOLOMON ISLANDS, TONGA,
     TUVALU, VANUATU, WESTERN SAMOA

SOUTH AMERICA, CENTRAL AMERICA, AND THE CARIBBEAN:

     ANTIGUA AND BARBUDA, ARGENTINA, BARBADOS, BELIZE, BOLIVIA,
     BRAZIL, CHILE, COLUMBIA, COSTA RICA, CUBA, DOMINICA, ECUADOR,
     GRENADA, GUATEMALA, GUYANA, HAITI, HONDURAS, NICARAGUA,
     PANAMA, PARAGUAY, PERU, SAINT KITTS AND NEVIS, SAINT LUCIA,
     SAINT VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES, SURINAME, TRINIDAD AND
     TOBAGO, URUGUAY, VENEZUELA

VISA BULLETIN SUBSCRIPTION AND CHANGE OF ADDRESS INFORMATION: 
Additions or changes to the mailing list should be sent to:  Visa
Bulletin, Visa Office, Department of State, Washington, D.C. 20522-
0113.  Only addresses within the U.S. postal system may be placed
on the mailing list.  Please include a recent mailing label when
reporting changes or corrections of address; the Postal Service
does NOT automatically notify the Visa Office of address changes.

Department of State Publication 9514
CA/VO: March 30, 1994


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In article <CrFzEo.91@cnsnews.Colorado.EDU>,
Scott D. Patlin <patlin@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>In article <1994Jun14.141922.13425@nntpxfer.psi.com>,
> <cslaw@pericles.com> wrote:
>>Green Card Lottery 1994 May Be The Last One!
>
>Get serious! Again!  At least this time they seem to have posted to less
>than everywhere.

Hardly. According to recent postings on alt.current-events.net-abuse,
they are working their way through the net.hierarchy from both ends,
this time by hand. Apparently they got thrown off the big systems,
and are reduced to posting by hand from a PC. See alt.current-events.net-abuse
for details.

-- 
---
 Vincent Heuring   Dep't of Electrical & Computer Engineering
 University of Colorado at Boulder      Boulder CO 80309-0425
 heuring@cs.Colorado.EDU   o) 303-492-8751    h) 303-449-8868

In article <2tnam5$t8u@lace.Colorado.EDU>,
Vincent Heuring <heuring@riker.cs.colorado.edu> wrote:
>In article <CrFzEo.91@cnsnews.Colorado.EDU>,
>Scott D. Patlin <patlin@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>>In article <1994Jun14.141922.13425@nntpxfer.psi.com>,
>> <cslaw@pericles.com> wrote:
>>>Green Card Lottery 1994 May Be The Last One!
>>
>>Get serious! Again!  At least this time they seem to have posted to less
>>than everywhere.
>
>Hardly. According to recent postings on alt.current-events.net-abuse,
>they are working their way through the net.hierarchy from both ends,
>this time by hand. Apparently they got thrown off the big systems,
>and are reduced to posting by hand from a PC. See alt.current-events.net-abuse
>for details.
>
>-- 
>---
> Vincent Heuring   Dep't of Electrical & Computer Engineering
> University of Colorado at Boulder      Boulder CO 80309-0425
> heuring@cs.Colorado.EDU   o) 303-492-8751    h) 303-449-8868


everyone who hates this crap, PLEASE email back to the original poster to 
help knock some sense into them.



-- 
David Knapp                                   University of Colorado, Boulder 
Physics graduate, sys admin,                      knapp@spot.colorado.edu
generally a nice guy.               "Invisible cows currently control my life."

In article <CrGBM4.I30@cnsnews.colorado.edu>,
David Knapp <knapp@benji.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>In article <2tnam5$t8u@lace.Colorado.EDU>,
>Vincent Heuring <heuring@riker.cs.colorado.edu> wrote:
>>In article <CrFzEo.91@cnsnews.Colorado.EDU>,
>>Scott D. Patlin <patlin@ucsub.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>>>In article <1994Jun14.141922.13425@nntpxfer.psi.com>,
>>> <cslaw@pericles.com> wrote:
>>>>Green Card Lottery 1994 May Be The Last One!
>>>
>>>Get serious! Again!  At least this time they seem to have posted to less
>>>than everywhere.
>>
>>Hardly. According to recent postings on alt.current-events.net-abuse,
>>they are working their way through the net.hierarchy from both ends,
>>this time by hand. Apparently they got thrown off the big systems,
>>and are reduced to posting by hand from a PC. See alt.current-events.net-abuse
>>for details.
>>
>>-- 
>>---
>> Vincent Heuring   Dep't of Electrical & Computer Engineering
>> University of Colorado at Boulder      Boulder CO 80309-0425
>> heuring@cs.Colorado.EDU   o) 303-492-8751    h) 303-449-8868
>
>
>everyone who hates this crap, PLEASE email back to the original poster to 
>help knock some sense into them.

Well, these people have shown that they are immune to common sense or 
courtesy.  However, should you decide to mail some thing to them, you 
should know that their net.provider has seen to it that all mail sent to 
them is stored on your machine until your machine matches with their SLIP 
connection.  (The normal thing is for mail to be stored with the provider).

In order to bypass this and let the provider store the mail, send your 
mail to cslaw%pericles.com@psi.net.

The provider has common sense and will become upset if they have to pay 
the consequences.

Eric



-- 
 Eric Vaandering       Physics Department      University of Colorado          
                       Boulder CO 80302        vaanderi@rintintin.colorado.edu 
 ______________________________________________________________________________
 Any closet is a walk-in closet if you try hard enough.                        

>In order to bypass this and let the provider store the mail, send your 
>mail to cslaw%pericles.com@psi.net.
>
>The provider has common sense and will become upset if they have to pay 
>the consequences.

Laugh.  They must fear the wrath of the net :-)

It doesn't look like pericles.com is doing so well at the moment 
anyway....

nordsieck % telnet pericles.com 25
Trying 199.98.145.1...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused

Bummer if you can't send them mail.  It would be interesting to 
find out why it isn't working.  Also, don't bohter to finger or 
telnet to the machine as those are blocked, and probably a whole
bunch of other ports too.

-jason

In article <2tnq0k$7g9@lace.colorado.edu>,
Jason Ornstein <ornstein@cs.colorado.edu> wrote:
>>In order to bypass this and let the provider store the mail, send your 
>>mail to cslaw%pericles.com@psi.net.
>>
>>The provider has common sense and will become upset if they have to pay 
>>the consequences.
>Bummer if you can't send them mail.  It would be interesting to 
>find out why it isn't working.  Also, don't bohter to finger or 
>telnet to the machine as those are blocked, and probably a whole
>bunch of other ports too.
>
>-jason

Also, if you wish to be most annoying, include the orginal post with your
response at the bottom.

The most unfortunate bit of all this is that pericles.com does not appear
in the Path: line so it is not possible to just drop all their
articles on the floor (as I had intended to do on csnews).  Sigh.
Hopefully PSI will get enough flack about cslaw that they'll drop them.
Of course, cslaw will just sue PSI...

sigh.

 - todd
-- 
  Todd C. Miller    Sysadmin--University of Colorado    millert@cs.Colorado.EDU

In article <2tnq0k$7g9@lace.colorado.edu>,
Jason Ornstein <ornstein@cs.colorado.edu> wrote:
>>In order to bypass this and let the provider store the mail, send your 
>>mail to cslaw%pericles.com@psi.net.
>>
>>The provider has common sense and will become upset if they have to pay 
>>the consequences.
>
>Laugh.  They must fear the wrath of the net :-)
>
>It doesn't look like pericles.com is doing so well at the moment 
>anyway....
>
>nordsieck % telnet pericles.com 25
>Trying 199.98.145.1...
>telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused

They are only connected occasionally.   Its a slip line. 
Anyway, guys, if you notice them connected, make sure you do not run a number
of pings with very large packet sizes.  That could really bog down their
slow little slip connection, and isn't a nice thing to do.
Please don't read the man page for ping and find out that the packed size
is given on the command line after the host, and can be quite large.  That
would be very nasty.  :-)

>Bummer if you can't send them mail.  It would be interesting to 
>find out why it isn't working.  Also, don't bohter to finger or 
>telnet to the machine as those are blocked, and probably a whole
>bunch of other ports too.

Mail works, but they are missing a secondary mx record, hence if they aren't
connected it will be queued up locally.

In article <CrGBM4.I30@cnsnews.colorado.edu>,
David Knapp <knapp@benji.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
....
>
>
>everyone who hates this crap, PLEASE email back to the original poster to 
>help knock some sense into them.

in addition, if you email to nisc@psi.com, you will get to the
administrative people at psi.com who are in apparent collusion with
cslaw@pericles.com. please, please, at least cc every complaint to
them.
-- 
--
arthur wouk 
internet: wouk@cs.colorado.edu

In article <2tnva6$9ti@lace.Colorado.EDU>,
Jeanette A Fielden <fielden@rintintin.Colorado.EDU> wrote:
>In article <2tnq0k$7g9@lace.colorado.edu>,
>Jason Ornstein <ornstein@cs.colorado.edu> wrote:
>>>In order to bypass this and let the provider store the mail, send your 
>>>mail to cslaw%pericles.com@psi.net.
>>>
>>>The provider has common sense and will become upset if they have to pay 
>>>the consequences.
>>Bummer if you can't send them mail.  It would be interesting to 
>>find out why it isn't working.  Also, don't bohter to finger or 
>>telnet to the machine as those are blocked, and probably a whole
>>bunch of other ports too.
>>
>>-jason
>
>Also, if you wish to be most annoying, include the orginal post with your
>response at the bottom.
>

nononononononoNO!

ask for info.

keep there connect time up by having to reply to you and
talk to you to 'get your money'


laz

cslaw@pericles.com wrote:


: Arizona practice limited to immigration matters.  State license 
: Tennessee only.                                   ^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
  ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^


Hmmm ... a lawyer who can't practice in the state where he lives.
Gee, I'd like to entrust _my_ future to him, sure!