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At 11:32 Uhr +0200 04.06.1999, Coquereaux wrote:

>Of course, this would be nice ! There are a number of people (like me) who
>have to rely on an almost dead host - like my old Macintosh II (FX)

Old Macs are very cheap to get. I just moved from a Mac IIfx to
a *nice* Quadra 950 (the Mac came for free). But I had to upgrade my
MacIvory card for Quadra compatibility. 
Thanks to Symbolics this was still possible and I now have a
perfectly working MacIvory 3 in a Quadra.

>
>Personally I would be certainly interested in a Symbolics emulator (Open
>Genera)
>running  either on Apple PowerBooks on SPARC.  It may be not have great
>performance,

As I said, the old Ivories were limited on memory and had
to touch the disk quite often. Nowadays having a relatively
slow emulator but all the software in RAM would be a big
boost for a lot of software. Still I'd expect an Ivory
emulator under a, say, 400Mhz UltraSPARC on Solaris 7 (it's
already 64 Bit) to run at three to ten times faster than an Ivory
(depending how good the emulator is).

>!).  By the way Alpha does not seem to be very common in my world either.
>If somebody is able to  resurrect the idea of Open Genera for Sparcs and/or
>PowerBooks,  there is a very good chance that people in universities or
>research centers  will be interested, provided the prices stay
>reasonable...it was unfortunately never the case, though.

Actually I think the price for Open Genera (around $5000)
is reasonable. You get a lot of source and you can run
multiple Generas on one Machine.  LispWorks and ACL are much more
expensive - IIRC. It's just that I don't
have use for Alphas - we are using SPARCs - most customers are using SPARCs -
our Internet Carrier uses SPARCs. Sigh.

> Moreover I am sure that many oldtimers like me, those who look at their
>old quadra or FX with angst every time they turn it on, would start to
>relax!

The Mac is really no problem. Just look in a Mac magazine and
get a used 68k Mac cheap. Alternatively a lot of companies
are giving their old Macs away for a few bucks. I have
more worries about my MacIvory cards. I'm prepared 
to do a lot to keep them running. Sigh.

Rainer Joswig


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